Maintaining weight & cheaters confessional

[EvaTheOptimist]

Thanks to BIWI's bootcamp I've lost loads of weight. I'm determined not to put it all back on. So I am now consciously trying to maintain my new weight.

I finished the last bootcamp on 150.8lb. My aim is to stay below 11 stone (154lb). Since bootcamp I have weighed between 149lb and 151.6lb. I think this roughly counts as maintaining!

My plan or experiment is to see whether basically eating bootcamp style, but with 3-4 off-piste moments per week (eg chocolate, toast, special treat meal etc) will do the trick of maintaining.

Post here to share your experience of maintaining the low carb way.

Also feel free to confess any cheating here, offload and wail in a safe space!!

Writing your cheats on the main thread is very different from writing it here. And I also wrote that I knew I was being foul and outrageous. And as an aside 'copius drinking' for me is three or four vodkas and soda water, which isn't technically cheating, as I boot camp light on special occasions. Even if it was, I'm writing it in the appropriate place. I never said I didn't cheat, I said my cheating is rare, which it is.

Why is your upset over my ranting more important than my upset at lots of people writing about their cheating? The culture of bootcamp is seriously compromised when people continuously list cheats. It normalises something that basically knacks what we're trying to achieve. It has really upset BIWI to the point she considered not actually running bc anymore.

I have no issue with people having set events, or off plan meals, but I do have issue with it being celebrated gleefully on the main thread, because in the rules of bootcamp, it stipulates that cheating really fucks up the woe. When there's lots of cheaty chat, it affects the culture of bc.

Spamm was in a situation, as was Sayra, where they had to go off and be abroad and had no control over what they ate, yet they talked about their successes, and didn't derail the thread with all the things they ate which were off plan.

No where in the rules does it say bc is permissive. In fact it isn't for everybody. If people have left the thread, then it's not because of what I or others have said, it's there own choice. Nobody is unwelcome, but the cheat chat is. And that's a stipulation from the organiser, which I hugely support.

Basically, what I said I totally stand by. I am unapolagetic about my superrant, and I can't promise I won't get ranty again, for what ever reason.... It's part of my nature, and how I use this thread, and the main thread.

Pingufan That's very unkind of you to directly call me two-faced. This thread is totally open and public, and I'm not ashamed of anything I've said. I kept my posts general and didn't attack anyone personally.

I didn't appreciate being firmly told (I admit you didn't address me personally but all us 'cheaters') that it was 'ten fucking weeks of your time and if you can't stick to it then don't post here' when in my case and probably all the others it was already planned social functions that caused us to derail. From that point of view, I did find it two faced then that when you were faced with a social function it was seemingly ok for you to 'drink copiously' yet when a few of us admitted to doing It to the other thread we were lambasted.

To be honest, it was the unnecessary use of language I mostly objected to, I very much doubt you would speak to someone like that in RL so I don't see why it should be tolerated on the internet.

Most of us newbies did feel very uncomfortable after we were 'told off' and it has caused a few to leave. Nowhere did it say at the start that cheating was a hanging offence. And the reference to telling each other about cheating was like being 'was like being in some shit fucking diet club' is frankly ridiculous. Surely that's the point of a support thread? Everyone knows that if you don't follow the rules you will not succeed. As we are all adults I find it hard to understand why you would want to tell people off anyway, just concentrate on your own journey, we don't need a telling off thank you.

Trash - I think that if you are going to swear about and generally be rude about people, even if it's just to vent, then you have to accept that that will affect some people, that's just a fact of life. I can see where both parties are coming from on this and the people who left the other thread may well have stayed if the atmosphere over there and between everyone had been more positive. That doesn't mean that you are the sole cause of the issues of course but your post did contribute to it as did all the initial cheating posts and all the negative responses to that. No one person is to blame but we're all responsible for how our actions make people feel. Your feelings aren't any less important than anyone else's and vice versa but if you want to state that people talking about cheating negatively affects others on the thread and that disagreements on the thread are the cause of BIWIs upset, then you have to accept that the responses to peoples cheat/slip up confessions, including your swearing and ranting post, have negatively affected people too, it works both ways.

When I originally challenged the hostility in the responses to peoples cheating I was trying to get people to realise that the threads were heading down a path that was only going to lead to arguments and ill feeling. I hoped that everyone would realise that their posts were affecting others badly, both the cheaters and those confronting them, and that everyone would be able to sort something out in a way that didn't get peoples backs up. Unfortunately things have gone the way I hoped they wouldn't and it's all turned into a pointless shit storm. All this could have been so easily avoided if people just took a minute to think about how they were expressing themselves and how that would affect everyone else

I honestly feel that not talking about cheating or slip ups at all wouldn't be beneficial as it's just not realistic, people will make mistakes and being able to talk about that is helpful in working out what went wrong and how to avoid it happening again. We can't just talk about successes as people need to be able to work out their weaknesses and stumbling blocks and for some people this does take longer than others. That being said I agree that people shouldn't gloat about cheating or view it as nothing important and go on about it unnecessarily.

Anyway since a large part of your original rant clearly refers to mostly my posts on the subject and I don't care if you want to have a sweary rant about me I think everyone should just accept that peoples opinions aren't going to change and that there isn't anything more to be gained by having the same conversation over and over.

Also I would like to point out that although everyone probably thinks I'm a crazed, serial bootcamp cheating, carby twat I'm actually not. My slip ups so far have been a pot of coleslaw from kfc which I thought was safe but turned out to be a carby trap, a slice of crabby's chocolate tart (so not really cheating if on BCL) and the tiny packet of mini eggs I ate the other day. I don't drink, rarely eat nuts or berries as they cause me to stall and mainly stick to bootcamp strict so all in all I don't think I'm doing too badly at 12 weeks in and have no plans to stop posting or FTFO.

Give it a rest!!!! its boring and aggressive.

Lol who exactly are you referring to there Pisses, the only one I can see currently being aggressive is you.

Why are you adding to this conversation after Pingu has posted that they have privately spoken and all is ok?
What got me annoyed is you keep on telling us to move on, well why haven’t you , why are you again revisiting this issue.

"Really I think everyone just needs to draw a line in the sand and forget about it all or we're all just going to keep going round in circles getting pissed off with each other.”

We all agree so stop having a go at people. Its not nice, actually its very aggressive behaviour -just like replying to me with laughter ‘Lol’, whats that about, are trying to belittle me?

I don’t want an answer from you as It will only go around again so lets just say I apologise. for being upset in the first place for people winging on and on, on this forum about cheating and all the subsequent bullshit.

one final thing,
being on a forum doing this is really strange for me and rather hard. Then watching this fantastic support pulled apart in the name of 'whatever' and loosing the support thats working, accomplishing more than I could imagine, getting back to a weight only dreamt about with some life changing goals now achievable

Pisses you obviously have a problem with me, you have reacted aggressively and rudely to pretty much every post I have made on every bootcamp thread so far and to be honest it's a bit tiring. I haven't had a go at anyone, I've tried to consider everyone's opinions and remain objective about it all in the hopes that I can add to the discussion in a positive and constructive way. I put lol at the beginning of my post as I was surprised at the viciousness of your post and was hoping that you actually did not meant to be so antagonistic, humour is my way of trying to diffuse and lighten a situation.

I haven't been aggressive to anyone at all, merely contributed to an interesting discussion as impartially as I can given that I have found the whole situation at times either amusingly ridiculous or rather disappointing. I technically don't belong anywhere on these threads as I started bootcamping by myself when the January group had almost finished and a few months before the new thread started. I read the January bootcamp threads to inspire me and inform myself of what to expect in the weeks to come and it seemed to me that everyone was lovely and friendly and the threads were really nice, I was looking forward to the new bootcamp starting and hopeful that it would be as great as the last one, I'm disappointed that things turned out how they did and really hope everyone can pull things back together so that we can all enjoy it.

When I wrote my reply I hadn't seen Pingus post on the other thread. I replied to crabby to try to explain where some of the upset was coming from. Trash then responded to Pingu and, I assumed, myself and I again replied to her about the points she had raised. I'm not trying to revisit anything I'm just responding to people when they talk to me, frankly I would consider it rude not to. I also wanted to reassure trash that I wasn't offended or upset by her rant despite it referring to some of my comments.

If you choose to deliberately misinterpret my posts, take everything I say the wrong way and go on the defensive then that is entirely your choice but I think it would be best if we just agree to ignore each other from now on. I have no interest in defending myself repeatedly just because you choose to interpret my posts in a way they were never intended and I really can't be bothered with the drama.

Right, I'm going to get this thread back on track with some cute animal photos. You are all very welcome to join in if you play nicely - no cliques here!

This is Love Sponge (so named because she could absorb infinite amounts of love, like a giant furry sponge). She is no longer with us, but lived to the fairly grand old age of 8. First picture as a cute little kitten, second one in her dotage, mistress of all she surveyed.

lovely.

CrazyCrabbyCocker as a tiny pup when I went to visit her at the breeders.

Peony you were absolutely right to back out of the pup deal - the bloke sounds like a hugely dodgy bastard. I would never buy a pup whose parents I hadn't met.

love sponge how absolutely marvellous crabby

I will be looking after a furry client tomorrow who goes by the name 'sugarpie'... Ironically she's anything but sweet to the other dogs... But to people, she's adorable.

Back on to pet posts...? This is my pet cat; she's a Siberian Forest Cat which is a low allergy breed so ideal for my family since DH and I are both allergic to cats. She's small for a Sib but she still weighs 5.5 kg which is about twice as much as a normal cat.

Is it safe to come out now?

no time ...... Kids bath time
Stands up and supports trashy
More later ...

Here is another pony picture April when she was not so clean....

Love Sponge is a fantastic name! It made me

crabby dare we ask.... how are the darling fishies. ? and you didn't answer about the rear ended man who was charming and in my head looks like the diet coke man ? and Is teenage Crabby's leg healed OK ?

WHere did we get to guys..... Oh I know - yes Sayra did you manage to get back to work today ?

Week two in the crazy new job seems calmer and a few pennies are dropping in my head....... I am getting my head around the fact that the buck stops with me now and I am the one who makes the CCG safeguarding decisions....... I am NOT in my fort and I am not drinkng gin.... so it must be better.
Luckily I have got eva's lovely cosy thread of a group of friends who met in bootcamp to support me.....

Hi Peony yes back at work today

Very glad although feeling sorry for OH, he will have to work out how to get his own socks on!

Glad that you are finding your feet with the new job (what does CCG stand for?) and have come out of the fort

I've had a headache nearly every evening this week, I think it is the weather, thundery type weather always makes my head sore.

Sorry CCG - clinical commissioning group .... Used to be the strategic health authority . ( sort of)

Now .... game of thrones anyone [ grin]

Can't take GoT at all, I haven't watched it since the first episode of series 2 with its gratuitous lesbian sex scene.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against lesbian sex scenes. Only gratuitous ones that weren't in the book, add nothing to the plot and appear to only be there to titillate 14-year-old boys. I also don't like the awful casting, the crapness of the Hound's make up, the removal of all of Cersei's sex scenes and the horrendous regional accents. FFS Robert Barratheon was from the South.

Ah Peony you are doing so well. I would have absolutely faith in your decisions (though I'm sure its really difficult).

I think the charge of "cliquey" does stick - but on the other hand I find that quite joyful. I've never had a "circle of friends" in RL. (I have friends but not a big gang that all shares friendship)

Equally this thread is open to all comers and anyone is very welcome to join in.

And very selfishly I have found this a very helpful support thread for my tricky new task of maintaining. Which hasn't been as easy a ride as I hoped. Though it is, currently, working.

Love Sponge was originally called Tabitha, but never really got called that - At first DD referred to her as The Little Rabbit, and then we nicknamed her The Sponge of Love, which became Love Sponge. Our vets send out an annual card addressed to the animal as reminder to get their vaccinations done. I don't know what on earth the postie must have thought...

Stunt what a gorgeous cat! At 5.5kg she's half the size of CrazyCocker. I bet she could whoop her cowardly little spaniel arse too.

Sayra is that the same pony? She's filthy! I shall dig out a pic of my childhood pony tomorrow as my cute animal pic for the day aimed at restoring the nurturing happy atmosphere on our friendship thread!

Peony I'm sure you'll find your feet with the job. It must be scary making important decisions but you wouldn't have got the job if they didn't think you were more than capable. Have you got good support from your colleagues and managers?

Fishies are fine thanks! We have three new arrivals - on Thursday we bought a trio of golden white cloud mountain minnows, since the tank finally seemed to be stable. So now we have a pair of the normal WCMMs, a trio of the long finned ones and a trio of the golden ones. They look really lovely all together and the three males keep displaying at each other, constantly parallel swimming and flaring their gorgeous fins. We've got about a dozen baby corys in the little tank, all growing well. They're going to have to be a lot bigger before they go in the main tank though, as I think the shrimp will harbour some nefarious intentions. The shrimp matriarch, Jaws, is getting bolder by the day, and rushes out to try and grab the food grains, waving her big claws at the corys and poking them in the head. They completely ignore her. She's full of eggs at the moment, god knows how because Big Barry and Little Barry are petrified of her - maybe she pinned them down and had her wicked way with them, like a scene from GOT.

I tried to be all smart arse today and bid on an aquarium on eBay in the closing seconds of the auction. i was just too late and missed it. It was such a bargain too.

Sexy Mr Merc man is a distant memory now. I did have a little smile at his business card the other day when I found it whilst clearing up and put it in the recycling. I'm not sure that DP would have been too impressed if I'd found an excuse to contact him again to make sure that he's definitely recovered from the accident...

Eva I'm not part of a 'circle of friends' either - I've got friends and over the years some of them have got to know each other, but I prefer interacting with one or two people at a time for the most part. Otherwise I find all the undercurrents and unspoken rules of groups a bit stressful. I always feel like I'm saying the wrong thing and I'm terrible for over-disclosure as you will have noticed on here. Also I get overexcited and talk too much, which according to MN is a hanging offence and must mean that I'm very self-absorbed and a horrible person.

Ah well, the older I get, the more I think 'take me or leave me', and I've got some lovely friends so I can't be all bad. If people want to think that we're a clique on here then so be it. I think that anyone with any sense who read the thread properly would see that that isn't the case at all. We could be a quiche though, in the finest MN tradition. Maybe a crustless quiche? I for one am really glad you started this thread Eva, and grateful to BIWI for doing the Bootcamps, without which I never would have met all you gorgeous lot. You can come out now BIWI.

Right, I'm off to read up on my tree and plant identification; am taking the kids on a wildlife walk by the river tomorrow for science club.