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69 replies

onadietcokebreak · 02/10/2009 17:48

What do you guys think is fair arrangements for children whos parents are seperated.

Dad sees them regulary BTW and plays an active roll in their life as much as the Mum will allow. Has anyone had any experience on the court deciding when parents unable to come to an agreement.

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aseriouslyblondemoment · 20/10/2009 09:30

cj you're def not alone!
you have the virtual back-up of us MN girls

CJCregg · 20/10/2009 22:00

Thanks, ASBM. Will let you know when I'm planning it and wtf I'm thinking of saying!

mamas12 · 20/10/2009 22:40

Why do they still have the power to make us feel shit scared of expressing an opinion?
I've just found out via dcs that he is taking them ski ing over the NY! nice I said , yes nice to know eh. So maybe my speech might go ok but...

CJCregg · 20/10/2009 22:53

I know, mamas12. I am terrified, it's ridiculous. I also feel weak, as if I haven't got a leg to stand on. We sort of agreed we'd take it in turns, but I desperately don't want to do it. Does seem unfair not to let him have his turn, though.

mamas12 · 20/10/2009 23:54

Yes I did feel that too. But then my feeling that the dcs deserved a xmas like they usually love and that going with him where he doesn't even get a tree or anything was stronger. Miserable for them and they know it so that's why they'd rather do it at mine.
He once phoned the police at xmas time because the salvation army band were playing carols outside in the street to complain and get them moved on.

mummyfantastico · 21/10/2009 12:29

Cafcass told me that having XH at mine on Christmas day would confuse the kids and that if we were unable to agree on something a judge would probably say half the day with each parent, alternating each year where they woke up etc
Luckily (for me) XH never mentioned Christmas and so far he has had the girls on the days he would normally have them (he has them to fit his shift pattern) which has included Christmas eve/ boxing day but not the big day.
DD1 would rather spend the entire day here anyway, probably DD2 would too, but if they ever have to go there I would do a special day for them on Boxing day probably.

mamas12 · 21/10/2009 21:18

That is so interesting what cafcass recommend mummyfantastico.

ChocHobNob · 21/10/2009 22:26

Cafcass sounds fairest. I appreciate some people's ex's might be pains in the backsides for all sorts of reasons, but there are many out there who are not and they deserve to spend special times with their children just as much as a resident parent does. Just like the children would like to spend time with both parents.

mamas12 · 21/10/2009 22:46

Yes we know that chocs, but we are on about the dcs here too. Even though mine would like to spend some time with ex they would prefer it where they do xmas at mine so what can I do.
They prob will go to his afternoonish so I'll be on my own which I am not looking forward to but again, I will do it for my dcs.

Haunty27 · 21/10/2009 23:44

Chocs, now that mine are teenagers and don't have a judge telling them what they need or want, they stay here and see their df when they can bear it.

ChocHobNob · 22/10/2009 07:40

I appreciate that mama12, but to be frank, some posts I have seen (not just on MN) have not only been thinking of the children. They've been focused on their own wants and needs to.

Haunty that might be the case for your children, but not all. A very close friend of mine still alternates Christmas with her Mum and Dad and she is 25. She wouldn't dream of it any other way because she likes to spend time with both of her parents and as they live far away from each other this is the fairest.

Not all fathers are deadbeats where the children are forced to spend time with them.

I think in my whole 27 years of life, I've spent one Christmas with my Biological Father, the first one. But because he doesn't give a crap doesn't mean I think all fathers are like him.

dontouchTHEMUMMYSpecialjuice · 22/10/2009 09:28

hi all,

well i've not got much hoice with regards to xmas. exp is working on boxing day. so he can only have them overnight on xmas eve

but i'm happy for him to have them this year as they are so little we can have a second xmas day on boxing day at my house.

last year was a real nightmare with exp coming over.. same as some of others. he ended up just getting drunk on sofa, ignoring kids, refusing to help them make toys, etc. then proceeded to go and drink drive

another reason he will have them xmas eve is he will be working till dinner time. so just get them when they are ready for bed. then have to get them up and give them lunch or take them for a dinner somewhere and them i will get them before the parties begin and he gets wasted.

kids are mad about him though and worship him. so cant deny them visiting on xmas. specially since he's bought huge sacks and decorations that they have spotted in back room to go up in december.

just a bit shit i wont have them on xmas eve or morning.

Haunty27 · 22/10/2009 19:52

Aw Juicy I have had to do that in the past. Have you got a plan for Xmas Eve/Xmas morning?

dontouchTHEMUMMYSpecialjuice · 23/10/2009 09:08

sleeping

Haunty27 · 23/10/2009 14:14

Sounds good to me.

Won't be long then before the little blighters darlings come back then.

thesunshinesbrightly · 25/10/2009 16:47

My ex has my dc boxing day, have offered xmas day(as i think that is only fair) but he is too busy

mmrred · 25/10/2009 18:28

I do just wonder, though, about the cast-iron certainty being expressed here about what the DC's (generally) want and how often it seems to exactly coincide with the wishes of the Mum.

My DSS has been talking a lot this weekend about holidays, not sure what kicked it all off, just being half-term, maybe. Now he knows that holidays contact (like all his other contact with Dad) is very firmly defonied by court order, and we never encourage him to think we can change that, because we can't.

We also don't say we'll ask Mum (if we can have extra time, for example) as that puts her in the bad guy position every time. (Although I do sometimes feel that it is a richly deserved position, considering how difficult she has made getting this level of contact, but hey ho)

So when he was asking about whether he could come on holiday with us next year, I told him he'd have to talk to his Mum and Dad about it. He calmly told me that he has already told his Mum he DOESN'T want to because he knows anything else would upset her and she'd tell him off, and couldn't he just talk to the court lady and tell her.

It's natural for kids to love both parents and want to spend time with them, including special days - but they also prioritise the feelings of parents above their own desires and often tell us what we want to hear.

BeauticianNotMagician · 25/10/2009 18:51

It is Ds1s birthday christmas eve.Im having ds1 and ds2 that morning and ex will have them in th afternoon bringing them back to me in the evening which at least means i can get any last minute bits done.Xmas day i have them all day and ex is having them 10am til 5pm boxing day.Well thats the plan at the moment.Ex is usually awkward.

onadietcokebreak · 25/10/2009 19:03

Hi all.

Im the OP and didnt realise this thread had been added to as it didnt appear in my active convos.

Sadly since I posted everything has gone downhill and will need to go through solictors and ultimately court I think.

Why cant some people just forget about there own agendas and consider the children for once.

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BeauticianNotMagician · 25/10/2009 19:18

Sorry to hear that Onadietcokebreak i hope it all works out for you.I had to get a contact order put in to place with exp as he would just come and see the ds's as and when he wanted only ever in my home though.I had to get an injunction as well(but thats another story).So my situation is different.We were told in court that if we agreed to reasonable contact for christmas and birthdays then the courts would have no involvement in that however, if the contact was deemed unreasonable on either side for these periods then the court would rule equal access.Not sure if that helps you.

onadietcokebreak · 25/10/2009 19:39

thanks beautican it does help a bit...

Looks like the likelyhood is the courts will say equal access/alternate christmas etc if she cant be reasonable....and a few hours christmas eve is not reasonable.

His ex is so weird..loves all the maintenance yet wants him to fuck off and start a new family with me and leave his kids alone....what kid of mother would say that??!!

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BeauticianNotMagician · 25/10/2009 19:48

No court is going to agree with her.She obviously doesnt care about what is best for the children.My ex was violent and manipulative with me but has always been good with the ds's.Even after all he put me through i would never give him unreasonable access as my ds's love him.

I know it hasnt worked out the way you has hoped but in the long run you and the children will be the ones benefiting from the court order.

onadietcokebreak · 25/10/2009 19:56

i think a court order would be for the best as means she would have to stick to it....will see what solicitor says.

What would happen if she breached it.

So pleased I am reasonable with my ex...DS is spendinng from 4pm xmas day through to boxing day 4pm with him.

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mamas12 · 25/10/2009 19:59

MMRED I do believe in equal access. And I am sure my dcs would like the xmas that has already been provided for them meaning all the build up and little traditions and preparations etc. etc. the only thing we can't provide is two parents happy to do this for them.
There is only one, me, who 'does it'. He has no sense of occasion and it depresses the hell out of dcs to 'do' xmas at his.
So that's why I'd like it to carry on for a few years more until it's not such a big deal to them.

BeauticianNotMagician · 25/10/2009 20:02

All i can tell you is in court we were told that if i were to breach the order then it would go back to court and the judge may favor exp with more access.My solicitor informed me that its much more serious if the parent with care breaches the order than if the non resident parent does.