Fathers 4 Justice

[dolallylass]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it galling that these fathers are scaling building and yet some dads can not get out of their commitment to their kids quick enough??

Where is Mothers 4 Justice crusading for more contact??

I am so sick of doing it all and having to take what my xh can offer graciously (well as graciously as I can muster!!) and then listening to how fathers need more rights. I know there are some fantastic fathers (my neighbour is one) but there are many fathers who leave, drop responsibility and then try and ask for gratitude for the little they do!!

Seriously is there a Mothers 4 Justice or are we all too bl**dy busy??

Well said lostdad

dittany your too funny Ive not attacked you only your sexist arguements.
I see your well praticed in your craft lol!

dittany - you are wrong.

It is perfecty possible to be racist towards white people. Sexism can go both ways.

Thanks Anna

dittany - I am not in any way denying that people can suffer discrimination because of their skin colour. But there are societies and situations in which white-skinned people are at the mercy of other skin colours - but maybe you haven't travelled much and haven't experienced this yourself?

Men can also be the victims of discrimination by women.

where do these DV figures come from?i was under the impression that woman on man violence was rarely reported?

i saw a documentary about F4J a couple of years ago and it made me shudder.my xp used to bang on about joining them funnily enough

i think FNF sounds like a good organisation.the thing about not denying fathers access on the grounds of DV against women is only going with the legal guidelines from what i can see.

ok dittany Im going to bed now, because quite frankly all I wanted to do was say to that families need fathers, promote children having a great relationship with both their parents post separation.
My message of is one of hope and harmony. It is one of experience also.

last word tonite, please stop attacking me dittany!

Families don't need fathers if they are violent towards the children's mother.

Many, many women are abusive to their male partners, and to their children.

This is not gender sensitive. This is a human problem.

discussion is usually best served by assertions backed up by evidence, you haven't provided any of that on this thread.

you've said some quite mind-boggling things, that white people can't suffer discrimination, that men can't suffer from sexism.... wow talk about gender sterotypes. You're points are completely ridiculous.

I don't think that anybody on here would condone violence/abusive behaviour in any form whatsoever, REGARDLESS of gender, male on female, female on male.

The stats from the NSPCC and british crime survery and home office stats, that broadly speaking male on female and female on male incidents of domestic violence (and remember we are talking physicial, repeated emotional and incidents of low level physical violence) occur in broadly equal levels. This isn't a gender issue. Violence is wrong of any form.

There are abusive fathers out there, just as there are abusive mothers, step-fathers, boyfriends, siblings ... does that make it right? of course not.

FNF, are, whether you choose to accept it or not, a gender neutral charity dedicated to helping and supporting parents, regardless of gender or marital status, and promoting shared parenting in the maelstrom of emotions post-separation....

Dittany, you do talk bollocks on occasion.

Dittany - I just want to say that I wholeheartedly agree with you on all of your points.

Wrong, domestic violence is a CONTROL issue, used by men AND women.

Male on female DV is reported to be more frequent.

That ignores the fact that female on male DV occurs, is reported to occur at lower, but not insignificant levels.

FNF is a gender neutral organisation, I'm afraid you're just wrong. Accept it and get over it. The name comes from the fact that the majority of the poeple seeking help from FNF will be male, and that no doubt comes from men being in a much weaker position to do the best for their children. There are large numbers of mothers who are experiencing difficulties post-separation who do not see their children and there are literally thousands of grandparents who have lost out on meaningful relationship with their grandchildren. Imagine you in that situation...

As to saying FNF are anti-women, you are just talking plain bollcoks, as desiderata quite succinctly said.

What would be the point, Dittany?

I spent years being beaten by a man I lived with. We didn't have children.

The reason I didn't leave him is because, ultimately, I had nowhere to go to .. and a good job, working amongst people who would have been baffled, to say the least, that I had subjected myself to violence in any form.

One night, after eight years of beatings (never reported), I beat him. I unleashed the beast, and kicked him black and blue. Sheer rage.

He called the police and I got a caution for GBH.

My violence is on record ... his isn't.

They knew. I could see it in their faces.

This would seem to substantiate your argument, but I still don't agree with your stance. For every woman who doesn't file a report, there are probably ten men who don't.

Don't live your life in statistics. Much like history, they can rarely be relied upon.

Yama - which points do you agree with in particular, I'd be interested to know.

Dittany said;
"I think they did a survey in the US recently on it and partner violence was the number one cause of death for pregnant women. Male violence against women is actually now treated as a public health issue."

... do you have a link to this, or is it just another unsubstantiated rumour you've posted to bolster your increasingly flimsy argument???

Also, I'd be really interested to know your personal circumstances - do you have kids? Are you in a relationship etc? Just interested like

blimey desiderata, that's so harsh.

nobody should have to live in fear of violence, male, female, same sex partners.

thoughts with you
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