LGB vs T - time to disassociate.

[CuriouslyDifferent]

Being in B….

I don’t support Pride month any more.

Not only is it commercialized.

But I don’t ally myself with T anymore. I don’t want to be associated, support, be seen in the same room, or be classified as the same group.

why? Because I’m a parent. I’ve seen first hand what T ideology does to children.

im standing on the shoulders of brave people from times past that brought us from the dark corners of the human experience to a ‘who cares what your sexuality is’ period. So it’s taken a long time for me to not wish to fight against all phobias.

But T……. Too much, too far, a focus of attention on kids. Eradication of rights of others for decency and privacy.

Recent articles about Norwegian scientists in Trans rights groups advocating for sexual attraction of children to taught to children as a sexuality type… wtf. other academic attempting to remove the ‘stigma’ by reclassifying peados as minor attracted persons.

I learnt the hard way about T and gender ideology and it’s impact on my daughter in her repeated suicide attempts in hospital emergency rooms, as she struggled with reconciling her academic indoctrination and activation, and coming to terms with simply being a girl.

I fear from the irl groups I’m in, that’s T is just a hobbyhorse because there are very little LGB issues these days. But the dark side of T is showing it’s values now - it’s not our group - it’s not our fight.

loveandcare has said she is bisexual and in a relationship with a trans woman, the person attacks are unwarranted and have never convinced anyone.

I agree with the OP though. There might be a place for sharing spaces with LGB groups if the T got their house in order and spoke out against the creepy fetishy stuff jumping on their bandwagon. Until T state some boundaries, even something as simple as "not in my name" to the rapists - they can't expect to be welcomed everywhere unquestioningly.

Nobody has 'personally attacked' loveandcare. Pointing out that someone who is happily in a heterosexual relationship is not gay, is not a personal attack. At no point does loveandcare state the sex of either her/himself or that of their trans partner. Loveandcare has called her/himself both bisexual and gay in two different posts. And while it's certainly possible for people to think they are gay/bi/straight at one point in their life and then realise that their orientation is different as their experiences change, I doubt very much that loveandcare realised they were gay rather than bisexual in the 5 hours and 39 minutes between their two posts.

Loveandcare, who I do read as a woman with a transwoman, is a straight or bisexual woman, currently in a heterosexual relationship. Claiming to be gay in order to win points in a conversation where they are trying to guilt trip their way into LGB communities is pretty abhorrent.

Hi, would you mind helping me understand something? I think people get confused about transition so would appreciate your opinion. Particularly when 'gay' and 'straight' are used as terms that don't seem to be about heterosexuality or homosexuality.

I asked:
By transition you mean stating that their gender has changed? Or is anything else required?

Do you think this affects their sex? Or are you one of these people that thinks sex and gender are the same thing?

What I don't understand is why ideology about who you are was ever mixed in with who you want to have sex with or not in the first place? Surely the T has nothing to do with that? It should always have been LGB+ and then the T is unrelated.

Trans people have the same rights as everyone else.

The label "trans" has been taken over by a whole variety of seriously concerning individuals.

It's not just referring to some poor little confused teenager with gender dysphoria anymore.

Wake up!

Totally with you OP!

Exactly!
https://twitter.com/gag_washington/status/1672775365138448384?s=46

It's completely beyond ridiculous

Trans is not a sexual orientation.
Why should LGB kids be transed?
Why should we sexualise children?
Why should we feed kids puberty blockers and push them towards mutilating their bodies?
No one is born on the "wrong" body.
No one can change sex.
Helping confused kids cone yo terms with who they are and to love themselves whether they're LGB or S would be much healthier!

Women still don't have equity. There is vile misogyny everywhere. We need to protect women (51% of the population) they deserve their own spaces.
So do trans people.
You can't force a made up ideology on the world without pushback I'm afraid.
Sexuality is real.
Trans is a construct- and seemingly whatever anyone who's T "feels" like it is.

People who have gender related dysphoria are a different group and they should form their own community

@Freefall212

They should have GN toilets too.
Men are not women, just because they say they are.

Pointing out somebody is in a heterosexual relationship is a personal attack in 2023

I have a gay friend (female) who would agree with you.

Im straight but I agree because I've listened to her intently.

I have no issue itself with trans people in general. Wear what you like, dress as you like and have whatever name you want.

I have a MASSIVE issue with their indoctrination of children having worked in Education for decades. It just reinforces the gender stereotypes we've spent years trying to dispel. I also have an issue with trans people trying to pretend like they understand the struggles of the sex (gender) they identify with.

We were out one night in a gay bar. I love the fact I'm welcome as I know the struggles homosexual people have had over decades to have a safe space and be accepted.

A trans woman tried to pull her and she got offended when she rebutted her advances and called her transphobic!

I nearly fell off my bar stool laughing when my friend replied

"I'm a lesbian. We like fanny not knob. So all the time you have a knob and act like a giant one you've got no hope. A dress, make up and female name do not make you sexually a woman. Goodbye"

The issue from where I stand doesn't seem to be that people want to be transgender. It's the fact they cannot distinguish between the biological scientific sexes and the socially constructed gender and anyone who doesn't buy into their ideologies is transphobic.

Everyone should be free to be who they are but it shouldn't be at detriment to others or other groups having to adjust who they are.

I would say that I have no idea why TQ+ has been lumped in with LGB given the latter are about sexuality and the former are about identity. However, I do, it's because Stonewall realised that with equal rights won for LGB, there was no more money in that, and TQ+ was the way to continue to raise funds.

So yes, I do agree that it's time for the LGB to free themselves of the TQ+

I started reading and am a little confused, sexuality is based on what sex you are? So if a women decides to identify as male (because you can't change sex, only identify as a different gender) she is still a woman and if she finds men attractive is not then gay but still heterosexual as she is still actually a woman.

In the same way that a straight man identifies as female still fancies women he's not a lesbian as he is still a man genetically.

Also what are furries, bdsm fetishists etc doing at pride? Being gay/lesbian/bi is a sexual orientation not a kink. Why are people who want to demonstrate their kinks in public suddenly part of the pride movement?

No kink shaming intended, you do you. Dress as you like, eat Whiskers from a bowl and shit in a litter tray, I really couldn't care less. I don't see the reason that should be happening at pride. With kids around.

The only extra group that fits with lgb community would be Asexual?

To misquote Douglas Murray, there are no two groups in the world more unlike each other as gay men and asexuals. They have absolutely nothing in common.

I have reported this post for homophobia.

there is no country in the world where is is illegal for female people with a preference for short hair and trousers to be in a sexual relationship with a man. That is a straight relationship.

I wonder if your claim to be bisexual and therefore have a right to speak for LGB people is because your partner is a trans woman? Ie: a heterosexual relationship.

Nope. LGB - about same sex attraction.

a sexuals- no sexual attraction.

it has never been illegal to be asexual, asexuals have never been unable to marry or adopt children. Asexuals are not executed by their government in countries around the world.

do you see how it might be a teensy bit different?

I do see how it's different in that they aren't persecuted but it's the only group that relates to orientation rather than anything else.

1. Sex- You are either a man or a woman.

1. Orientation - You are either attracted to men, women,both or neither.

1. Other things that define you - medical issues (dysphoria/intersex conditions). Gender (including non-binaries). Kinks (furries, cross-dressers etc).

Very well put, I wish you both the best of luck starting your family x

Sorry I was meant to @ you originally @loveandcare33

1. There is no consensus at all as to whether or not asexuality is an actual sexuality because there are numerous physiological and psychological reasons for people to have no sex drive. People who have had no sex drive can discover a perfectly normal sex drive after counselling, medication or even just the passage of time and a change in circumstances/lifestyle. This is not true of same sex attraction.
2. Even if asexuality is a real orientation, just being a sexual orientation doesn't mean it has anything whatsoever to do with same sex attraction. Heterosexuality/straight is clearly a sexual orientation but it's not the LGBS is it? LGB is about ensuring rights for people who are same sex attracted as relates to their same sex attraction. Ie, bisexual people don't need rights for their opposite sex relationships as those always existed.

Good arguments. I understand your point of view totally now.

In their own spaces.