LGB vs T - time to disassociate.

CuriouslyDifferent · 2023-06-03T12:04:14+00:00

Being in B…. I don’t support Pride month any more. Not only is it commercialized. But I don’t ally myself with T anymore. I don’t want to be associated, support, be seen in the same room, or be classified as the same group. why? Because I’m a parent. I’ve seen first hand what T ideology does to children. im standing on the shoulders of brave people from times past that brought us from the dark corners of the human experience to a ‘who cares what your sexuality is’ period. So it’s taken a long time for me to not wish to fight against all phobias. But T……. Too much, too far, a focus of attention on kids. Eradication of rights of others for decency and privacy. Recent articles about Norwegian scientists in Trans rights groups advocating for sexual attraction of children to taught to children as a sexuality type… wtf. other academic attempting to remove the ‘stigma’ by reclassifying peados as minor attracted persons. I learnt the hard way about T and gender ideology and it’s impact on my daughter in her repeated suicide attempts in hospital emergency rooms, as she struggled with reconciling her academic indoctrination and activation, and coming to terms with simply being a girl. I fear from the irl groups I’m in, that’s T is just a hobbyhorse because there are very little LGB issues these days. But the dark side of T is showing it’s values now - it’s not our group - it’s not our fight.

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HermioneWeasley · 03/06/2023 13:05

Agree, it’s time for a divorce. Th demands of the T are actively harmful to the LGB

loveandcare33 · 22/06/2023 21:40

Please don't associate trans people with pedophiles. People used to do this with gay people (and sometimes still do), it's nothing but bigotry.

I'm a bisexual too in a relationship with a trans person, we want to start a family, we are not a threat to children. This is just scaremongering and driving division within our community, and that is going to do a lot of harm not only to trans people but to all LGBT people.

Children are not harmed by trans people having rights. There are children who struggle with their gender and they deserve to live in a world where they are free to explore that and come to their own conclusions, defining themselves and their happiness.

pues · 22/06/2023 21:46

I agree too OP
T piggybacking on to LGB has done immense harm and the public are sick of the rainbow flag. The T have made it all about them.

Threemangoes · 22/06/2023 22:22

loveandcare33 · 22/06/2023 21:40

Please don't associate trans people with pedophiles. People used to do this with gay people (and sometimes still do), it's nothing but bigotry.

I'm a bisexual too in a relationship with a trans person, we want to start a family, we are not a threat to children. This is just scaremongering and driving division within our community, and that is going to do a lot of harm not only to trans people but to all LGBT people.

Children are not harmed by trans people having rights. There are children who struggle with their gender and they deserve to live in a world where they are free to explore that and come to their own conclusions, defining themselves and their happiness.

Well it’s not scaremongering because T and + people are obsessed with indoctrinating children in schools by pushing their agendas and on social media by directly targeting them.

pues · 22/06/2023 22:48

Children who are same sex attracted are being indoctrinated into trans ideology and told that they are in the wrong body.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 22/06/2023 22:52

Threemangoes · 22/06/2023 22:22

Well it’s not scaremongering because T and + people are obsessed with indoctrinating children in schools by pushing their agendas and on social media by directly targeting them.

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Are they? I have quite a few trans friends and they're just living their lives, they have absolutely zero interest in children or schools or anything of the sort, never mind whatever sort of indoctrination they're meant to be doing.

pues · 22/06/2023 23:02

@DontGoJasonWaterfalls
Of course those with genuine gender dysphoria are getting on with their lives - unfortunately the transactivists are doing them a great disservice too.

loveandcare3 · 22/06/2023 23:16

That's not true. Many trans people are gay after transition, i.e. ftm trans men who are attracted to men, mtf trans women who are attracted to women. Of course there are also heterosexual trans people. But no trans people are telling children that transitioning will make them not gay. That's absurd and simply transphobic rhethoric from the media

Sparkyduchess · 22/06/2023 23:19

loveandcare3 · 22/06/2023 23:16

That's not true. Many trans people are gay after transition, i.e. ftm trans men who are attracted to men, mtf trans women who are attracted to women. Of course there are also heterosexual trans people. But no trans people are telling children that transitioning will make them not gay. That's absurd and simply transphobic rhethoric from the media

Trans men attracted to male people are straight - sexuality is based on sex, not gender.

suggesting otherwise is homophobic

AmuseBish · 22/06/2023 23:37

loveandcare3 · 22/06/2023 23:16

That's not true. Many trans people are gay after transition, i.e. ftm trans men who are attracted to men, mtf trans women who are attracted to women. Of course there are also heterosexual trans people. But no trans people are telling children that transitioning will make them not gay. That's absurd and simply transphobic rhethoric from the media

By transition you mean stating that their gender has changed? Or is anything else required?

Do you think this affects their sex? Or are you one of these people that thinks sex and gender are the same thing?

Weird that you believe people can go from straight to gay after "transition" but not the other way around.

Assignedtoworryyourmother · 22/06/2023 23:52

I'm not a member of the LGB+ community but DD 17 is a lesbian. She's told by peers that she's transphobic because she would not date a person who identifies as a woman but has a penis. It feels like the vile voices of the few have ruined everything for the others and the damage it is doing to so many on so many levels is appalling.

Threemangoes · 23/06/2023 00:53

If you are trans then you should care about your loud mouth activists and call them out!
If you don't then you basically agree with their beliefs and agendas.

Madwife123 · 23/06/2023 02:31

Agreed. I’m a lesbian and am fully behind the ‘get the L out’ campaign. Pride isn’t a place for us anymore. Lesbians are being shoved aside to make way for the men who ‘feel’ like women.

WandaWomblesaurus · 23/06/2023 02:39

Agreed. I'm B.
It doesn't mean I'm interested in post surgery breast or penis amputees or else be classed as phobic.

And I'm very very worried about the sanity of some of the young girls in my dd's year group and what they are being taught.

No safeguarding seems to be the motto of Transactivists.

loveandcare3 · 23/06/2023 02:55

Of course it can happen the other way round, my point is that this is not necessarily the case and its not the aim of trans liberation to make gay people straight. Its disingenuous to claim otherwise

loveandcare3 · 23/06/2023 02:56

To be honest coming here as someone parenting with a trans person to find support for LGBT parents and seeing a post like this is so so hurtful. If trans people are not welcome in queer spaces, where are they welcome?

ShippingNews · 23/06/2023 02:57

They should definitely be separate. Crazy that they were all lumped together - the LGB people need to stand up and demand change.

loveandcare3 · 23/06/2023 02:59

I mean I'm gay and I disagree with your definition of homophobia here. Let people live :)

dcbc1234 · 23/06/2023 03:13

loveandcare3 · 23/06/2023 02:59

I mean I'm gay and I disagree with your definition of homophobia here. Let people live :)

Being LGB is about your sexual orientation. How do you define the T? It is not a sexual orientation. It seems to be about wanting to change your sex, which is a physical impossibility as Professor Robert Winston so clearly laid out on an episode of Question Time a few years ago.
Unlike someone being gay or bi-sexual, the T demands that others disbelieve the evidence of their eyes and collude in a delusion. Some T people 'enjoy' the forced co-option of the other parties hence why they wish to enter women's single sex spaces.
It is obviously harmful to children who will likely simply turn out to be gay (same sex attracted) once they have navigated normal puberty, to be telling them from an early age that there are multiple genders from which they can choose.
Declaring oneself to be 'T' at an early age involves dangerous drugs, unnecessary surgery etc etc so yes it is 'transing the gay away' and it is morally bankrupt.

pues · 23/06/2023 07:12

@loveandcare3
The best thing you can do for your child is watchful waiting and talking therapy until they joins the rapidly growing band of detransitioners.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 23/06/2023 07:25

loveandcare3 · 23/06/2023 02:56

To be honest coming here as someone parenting with a trans person to find support for LGBT parents and seeing a post like this is so so hurtful. If trans people are not welcome in queer spaces, where are they welcome?

Queer…

I’d say that ‘queer’ spaces are all about the TQIAA++ etc and not for anyone who’s same-sex attracted. Just like bloody Stonewall and Pride are nowadays.

pues · 23/06/2023 07:26

Oh I assumed you were here for support for your trans child- I see you are wanting support for your trans partner.

Freefall212 · 23/06/2023 07:38

loveandcare3 · 23/06/2023 02:56

To be honest coming here as someone parenting with a trans person to find support for LGBT parents and seeing a post like this is so so hurtful. If trans people are not welcome in queer spaces, where are they welcome?

Sexual orientation and gender identity / expression are two different things.

However many people who are gay, lesbian and bisexual have no gender issues at all. Being lumped together as though being gay and being trans are similar is the issue.

People who are gay, lesbian or bisexual are non heterosexual. That is it. It is about who they are sexaully attracted to and want to partner with in romantic and sexual relationships. It has zero to do with their gender or gender dysphoria or wanting to change who they are. They are part of a sexual orientation minority and want a community that reflects that.

People who have gender related dysphoria are a different group and they should form their own community.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 23/06/2023 07:43

People who are gay, lesbian or bisexual are non heterosexual. That is it. It is about who they are sexaully attracted to and want to partner with in romantic and sexual relationships. It has zero to do with their gender or gender dysphoria or wanting to change who they are. They are part of a sexual orientation minority and want a community that reflects that.

And it’s about biological sex. Not gender. The idea that lesbians should be attracted to biological males was homophobic when it was just about men wanting to get into our knickers to ‘convert’ us and it’s homophobic now.

Wanderingowl · 24/06/2023 21:01

loveandcare3 · 23/06/2023 02:59

I mean I'm gay and I disagree with your definition of homophobia here. Let people live :)

If you are saying that you are gay because you are a woman in a relationship with a transwoman, ie a biological male, then you are not gay. You may be bisexual, but that would not be based on a relationship with a transwoman. A woman with a transwoman is a heterosexual relationship. (The same goes if you a man in a relationship with a transman, ie biological woman.) It's really, really homophobic to describe attraction between two people of opposite sex as gay.

If you say you are gay because you are a woman with a transman, ie bio-woman. Or a man with a transwoman, then sure, that is indeed homosexual. But if that's the case, it means you know that your partner has not changed sex.