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Worried for daughter starting high school

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Sailthisshipalone · 25/08/2024 01:20

So my 12 year old daughter who is transgender is starting high school on monday and im so worried for her.

She also has a diagnosis of autism.

She doesnt find it easy to make friends and shes left a lot of her younger friends behind in primary school.

She keeps saying she doesnt want to go and shes scared and ive been trying to be really positive for her but deep down im petrified.

She transitioned socially around 3 years ago so all the children moving up with her know she is transgender and im so worried about kids gossiping and her being potentially outed to any new friends she makes.

She is also starting to go through puberty so i know tje next few years wont be easy with that.

Im hoping maybe someone reading can relate or is going through this now also

Thanks

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CoffeeAndSunrise · 26/08/2024 10:45

*hate

CoffeeAndSunrise · 26/08/2024 10:47

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Agree, but I bet you'll be deleted, which is part of the problem. This be kind attitude when it's actually harming children. I can't understand how it's being allowed to happen.

GustyFinknottle · 26/08/2024 10:52

thismummydrinksgin · 25/08/2024 10:38

She's more likely to find kids like her at secondary, and find her tribe. Lots of transgender/gay groups at my kids secondary school - seems accepted. You may have a difficult first few weeks but once she settles it might be the making of her x

Please don't lump in transgender and LGB kids together. LGB kids are all about being same-sex attracted and are very aware of the actual sex of other individuals. LGB children need a separate group.

The OP's daughter is autistic, which has made her more vulnerable to the social contagion of gender ideology, and that's a very different kettle of fish. That's why trans and 'non-binary' children need to have their own separate group — majorly different issues.

piperatthegates · 26/08/2024 11:01

Toseland · 26/08/2024 10:43

There were no 'trans children' 30 years ago. It's been invented very recently.

Of course there were trans children 30 years ago they were just suppressed. Have you never heard of Quentin Crisp? He presented as a gay man but to all intents and purposes he was trans and admitted as much towards the end of his life.

Emmanuelll · 26/08/2024 11:04

I am hearing a lot of stories from men who in their late teens and early 20s, decided that they had made a big mistake having surgery and gender reassignment.

This man is an example;

He suffers with terrible pain and bleeding when he needs to poo, to this day. As a parent, I think you should be very careful not to get swept along with a trend that is influencing impressionable minds. Even more so, because of TikTok etc.

Autistic people really struggle in mainstream schools, especially around the age of 12. I know because I am one, and none of my autistic kids coped in MS school either.

CoffeeAndSunrise · 26/08/2024 11:23

Of course there were trans children 30 years ago they were just suppressed. Have you never heard of Quentin Crisp? He presented as a gay man but to all intents and purposes he was trans and admitted as much towards the end of his life

Trans children are only in existence because of socially constructed rubbish like pink is for girls, football is for boys, painted nails are for girls etc.

The reality is there's no actual issue with boys liking pink, painted nails and hating football, or girls loving football and having short hair, but we've unfortunately got to a place where if you don't fit stereotypes, there's an option to be trans. How on earth did we get here rather than accepting boys or girls who don't fit stereotypes. It's mind blowing.

No one is actually trans. It's not like being gay. Being trans isn't something that you are, it's something that some people let socially constructed ideas decide for them. It's madness and absolutely frightening that a boy who likes stereotypically girl things and possibly feels uncomfortable with his make body because everyone has gone along with 'you're a girl', can eventually end up taking harmful hormones and getting healthy body parts cut off. It's actually horrifying. Trans supporters talk of acceptance but it's the least accepting movement there is.

GustyFinknottle · 26/08/2024 11:30

piperatthegates · 26/08/2024 11:01

Of course there were trans children 30 years ago they were just suppressed. Have you never heard of Quentin Crisp? He presented as a gay man but to all intents and purposes he was trans and admitted as much towards the end of his life.

Nonsense. Quentin Crisp was a gay man. He spent his entire life living as a gay man. He wrote books and articles about it, he was interviewed many times about it. Stop trying to rewrite documented history.

Some transwomen are effeminate gay men who suffer from internalised homophobia so badly that they can only deal with it by identifying as female. In the world of prostitution having men identify as women enables repressed gay men to have sex with other men while maintaining the fiction that they are having sex with a woman. You only have to look at all the trans sex workers who are murdered in Mexico and Brazil each year to realise how complex the situation is.

https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2021/01/29/brazil-transgender-murders-increased-41-in-2020

Brazil: transgender murders increased 41% in 2020

Report shows that 175 trans women were murdered last year, 68% of victims were black

https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2021/01/29/brazil-transgender-murders-increased-41-in-2020

Soontobe60 · 26/08/2024 11:38

ThatOpenSwan · 26/08/2024 09:01

God so many horrible people on this thread. OP I hope for your sake that you're not reading and have found somewhere less transphobic to get support, but just in case: your worries are totally understandable, but things will probably be okay. I would suggest considering early meetings and discussion with your daughter's pastoral team, talking with your daughter and with the pastoral team about how to handle outing as you're right that it's likely to happen, and working to remain a safe and stable home base for her, which it sounds like you're already doing. Anecdotally, secondary kids tend to take sexuality and gender more in their stride than they used to. Hoping for a smooth transition for your daughter. <3

Knowing that sex is not changeable is not ‘transphobic’. Thinking sex is changeable is delusional.

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:40

She’ll be absolutely fine.
There are about 5 trans children in my DD’s year. They are all treated as the gender they introduce themselves as absolutely no issues. All the toilets at there school are unisex so no issues there - the only thing is they get changed in the changing room with the boys in a section just for them, then they join the girls for the lesson.

RedToothBrush · 26/08/2024 11:41

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:40

She’ll be absolutely fine.
There are about 5 trans children in my DD’s year. They are all treated as the gender they introduce themselves as absolutely no issues. All the toilets at there school are unisex so no issues there - the only thing is they get changed in the changing room with the boys in a section just for them, then they join the girls for the lesson.

FIVE!

Not social contagion at all...

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:41

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:40

She’ll be absolutely fine.
There are about 5 trans children in my DD’s year. They are all treated as the gender they introduce themselves as absolutely no issues. All the toilets at there school are unisex so no issues there - the only thing is they get changed in the changing room with the boys in a section just for them, then they join the girls for the lesson.

Adding to my own post.
or girls changing room then join the boys for the 2 trans boys.

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:43

RedToothBrush · 26/08/2024 11:41

FIVE!

Not social contagion at all...

It’s a big school.
I can’t say whether it is social contagion but I know 3 came as trans from different primary schools and two started transitioning in year 8.

Soontobe60 · 26/08/2024 11:43

piperatthegates · 26/08/2024 11:01

Of course there were trans children 30 years ago they were just suppressed. Have you never heard of Quentin Crisp? He presented as a gay man but to all intents and purposes he was trans and admitted as much towards the end of his life.

Don’t be daft! Also, don’t be homophobic.

CoffeeAndSunrise · 26/08/2024 11:44

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:40

She’ll be absolutely fine.
There are about 5 trans children in my DD’s year. They are all treated as the gender they introduce themselves as absolutely no issues. All the toilets at there school are unisex so no issues there - the only thing is they get changed in the changing room with the boys in a section just for them, then they join the girls for the lesson.

There absolutely will be issues.

Soontobe60 · 26/08/2024 11:44

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:40

She’ll be absolutely fine.
There are about 5 trans children in my DD’s year. They are all treated as the gender they introduce themselves as absolutely no issues. All the toilets at there school are unisex so no issues there - the only thing is they get changed in the changing room with the boys in a section just for them, then they join the girls for the lesson.

males should not be taking part with females in pe lessons that are separated by sex

AWafferthinmint · 26/08/2024 11:44

AgileGreenSeal · 26/08/2024 10:14

What would the response be in your school to a child who used male pronouns to refer to this child? Would this be considered ‘bullying”?

Each incident would be looked at individually. Accidentally using the wrong pronoun would not be considered bullying if that’s what you mean?

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:45

CoffeeAndSunrise · 26/08/2024 11:44

There absolutely will be issues.

OK then, I’ll rephrase no issues that DD or her friends are aware of. Nor anything that concerns me.

GustyFinknottle · 26/08/2024 11:45

Brainworm · 26/08/2024 10:20

"Why isn't it being dealt with as a mental health issue from the word go then ?

Social transitioning helps no one. It just produces more mental health issues to deal with. "

Who is saying that mental health issues aren't being recognised or treated?

It's not the case that 'social transitioning helps no-one' and produces more mental health issues. There is no clear evidence either way.

Cass did not recommend a blanket ban on social transitioning. She recommended what I proposed with is thoughtful engagement with the issues at hand.

If ' There is no clear evidence either way' as you say, then why do something that causes so much damage to the majority of children in a school? Why expect other children to lie about something as binary and obvious as sex, sometimes on pain of punishment, at school? One of my neighbour's children, a clever, quiet, thoughtful lad has talked about our local, highly-regarded secondary school as being run by the trans Stasi. He lost all respect for those teachers who just parroted the TWAW, No Debate line and jumped on board the trans ideology train. He says that most of the students could easily see that the kids who identified as trans were the autistic ones, or the gay ones from homophobic or religious families, or the ones with MH issues or personality disorders. The fact that the teachers couldn't see that led to a lot of contempt from the clued-up students.

Soontobe60 · 26/08/2024 11:46

AWafferthinmint · 26/08/2024 11:44

Each incident would be looked at individually. Accidentally using the wrong pronoun would not be considered bullying if that’s what you mean?

Using a correct sex based pronoun is not ‘wrong’

CoffeeAndSunrise · 26/08/2024 11:47

FIVE!

Not social contagion at all...

I know of 4 in one friendship group of 7. In the year of 200 kids, there are at least 20. But no, definitely not social contagion. 🤨

AgileGreenSeal · 26/08/2024 11:48

AWafferthinmint · 26/08/2024 11:44

Each incident would be looked at individually. Accidentally using the wrong pronoun would not be considered bullying if that’s what you mean?

No, what I mean is a child (or teacher) who out of principle didn’t want to lie by using a female pronoun for a male person (even one presenting as female).

Waitingfordoggo · 26/08/2024 11:49

TheRubyLurker · 26/08/2024 11:40

She’ll be absolutely fine.
There are about 5 trans children in my DD’s year. They are all treated as the gender they introduce themselves as absolutely no issues. All the toilets at there school are unisex so no issues there - the only thing is they get changed in the changing room with the boys in a section just for them, then they join the girls for the lesson.

How do you know whether or not there are issues? How can you know how the girls really feel about having to play sports with a male child? Many of them may well say they’re fine with it because girls are socialised to Be Kind and to acquiesce.

How do you know how ALL of the children feel about being an expected/coerced to use wrong sex pronouns for their trans-identifying peers? Especially the children with SPLI and/or ASC?

I find it quite arrogant of you to presume that ‘there are no issues’ just because you personally haven’t heard of any.

AgileGreenSeal · 26/08/2024 11:50

Soontobe60 · 26/08/2024 11:46

Using a correct sex based pronoun is not ‘wrong’

exactly.
It is the truth.

Waitingfordoggo · 26/08/2024 11:50

Apologies btw if SPLI is no longer the correct term for people with communication difficulties- it was when I worked in schools but that was a long time ago.

CoffeeAndSunrise · 26/08/2024 11:50

OK then, I’ll rephrase no issues that DD or her friends are aware of. Nor anything that concerns me.

Fuck any kids who find it confusing eh? Fuck the kids who are scared so scared of mis gendering that's they're anxious all day? Going along with it is damaging to kids who are often the least likely to speak up.