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My 15 year old son says he is transgender- I don't believe him.

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starfishsunrise · 29/12/2017 10:46

Hi

Name changed here.

A few months ago my son (15) was in an intense relationship with his first girlfriend. One day I got an accidental email from an account with a girls first name but the girlfriends surname. I assumed it was a relative of the girlfriend but no...my son used the opportunity to tell me it was his other identity and he wanted to be a girl.
We chatted for a bit and I told him I loved him but hoped it was a phase. He didn’t want to tell anyone else. The only ‘sign’ was he started to grow his hair. Everything carried on as normal. He never wanted to chat about it, didn’t want a GP appointment etc.
The girlfriend has since broken up with him. I was hopeful he could move on
Yesterday he left a letter for us all to read to say he wants to be a girl. My husband and older son have read it. We are ok about it. One of the phrases he used was he was jealous of female bodies.

But here is my issue. I just don’t think he is transgender. In the gap between him telling only me and telling everyone in the family I have read a lot. Nothing I have read about anyone else’s experiences seem remotely similar. He has no mental health issues, ( reading shows me depression or autism etc can feature in gender issues). Seems happy enough but quite private, lots of time on his computer.
My son has never shown any interest in anything traditionally female. He’s not a butch boy by any means, hates sport but then my husband is not a traditional character. No football or beer here! We could be seen as hippies by some. My son likes more traditional male things - machines, computers
( I totally know all things are for both sexes, I’m making generalisations for speed)
He still stands up to pee! I had found some girls underwear in his drawer. I assumed it was the girlfriends.
He also goes to an all boys school. He is in Year 11. His friends are boys and they play video games, watch films, eat pizza. The 6th form is mixed and non uniform. Changing schools not an option as the other girls school does not offer the engineering subjects he is determined to take.
There is a bit of phase in the girls school of transgender. He is friends with a few.

So that’s my brief outline. I wish I had been able to go ‘ oh, it all makes sense now’
I love him, I don’t mind if he’s gay or straight ( he said he still likes girls) I want him to be happy. But how could he hide all these feelings? Wouldn’t we all have had some sort of clue?

Cards on table : I don’t want him to change gender. Be gay, be straight, wear flamboyant clothes but don’t mess with your hormones or chop your body up.

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starfishsunrise · 29/12/2017 13:41

Thank you all so much for replying. I’m glad to have an outlet.

In his letter he did ask us to use she/ her and use a girls name - but didn’t say what. Although we haven’t.
He said in the letter he would be happier and more comfortable with his body as a girl. He did lose some weight when he had first met the girlfriend. He was a little bit plump. He is eating more now she is gone. His hair is now long enough for a small ponytail.
He is not usually one for following a crowd at all and I wouldn’t put him as easily influenced

I have bought him Robert Webb’s book for Xmas which I think explores masculinity as a stereotype. He hasn’t opened it. I’ve also just ordered Eddie Izzards book.

I think there are cases where people are convinced their bodies wrong for their mind set but I think they are the exception.

I agree with transgender is the new goth.

I think I will just carry on and wait to see if he corrects me. I just don’t want to think it will be the elephant in the room.

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Antheanna · 29/12/2017 13:47

I think that's a great idea to get him these books. Masculinity might not be exactly what he thought it HAD to be.

northernruth · 29/12/2017 14:24

FGS don’t give him the Eddie izzard book. Buy him Cordelia Fine instead

HermioneWeasley · 29/12/2017 14:28

Get him off the internet and make him taking bracing walks in the fresh air. It’s a fashion and fad which is fed by social media.

starfishsunrise · 29/12/2017 15:01

@northernruth - I’d never heard of Cordelia Fine. Anything you recommend?
Eddie Izzard is the only person I could think of. Does his book take a special angle?

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 29/12/2017 15:03

'delusions of gender' by cordelia fine is the one I've read.

Eddie Izzard used to be quite 'I'm a straight man who wears lipstick' and quite empowering to young men who might wish to do similar but I think he's jumped on the bandwagon of internal gender feelings which is fairly sexist, I think.

birdbandit · 29/12/2017 15:27

I would really exercise caution in allowing any child to seek support online.

If you have a look at the feminist board there is yet another example of where a child has been effectively bullied/groomed into transitioning.

People have their own agendas online, and may not be who they describe.

Echo chambers on Reddit etc. and even some support groups are not great sources for support.

I would love and support your child, and let them decide who they are without external influences. Start by exploring with them what they understand "gender" to mean. Cordelia Fine has written some great books.

I would reassure them that they are an individual, and any expectation of what their limits are, who they might be, or do or love etc can be justifiably ignored.

northernruth · 29/12/2017 15:31

The book I was thinking of is Testosterone Rex, which won Science Book of the Year in 2017. Debunks the theory of male vs female brains

Datun · 29/12/2017 18:38

starfishsunrise

There are several reasons why your son might want to transition.

Gender dysphoria can take several forms. It doesn't have to be significant distress over your body. Sudden onset of gender dysphoria is rare in boys.

And yes, of course it could be a fad. Or he might be gay and worried about being effeminate.

It's probably a good idea to acquaint yourself with the different reasons for transitioning.

The link below is a good place to start. It's specifically about reasons and provides advice as to how to react.

This may not be an easy road. For him and you.

You sound sensible and supportive. Without having a knee jerk reaction. For which he is fortunate.

I also agree with other posters. He cannot, and will never be, an actual female. It's got to be hard making that clear if it dashes his hopes. We all want our children to be happy.

A frank but loving and realistic approach isn't always met with the appreciation it deserves!

4thwavenow.com/?s=Gender+dysphoria&submit=Search

ghome1971 · 30/12/2017 09:17

I would also recommend 4thwavenow.com.

I would NOT recommend Eddie Izzard. I think he is a misogynist and using transgenderism to further his career and possibly satisfy his own sexual fetishes.

I think children and teens use transgender as a way of trying to deal with difficult issues and it actually prevents them working through these issues.

Stopmakingsense · 31/12/2017 15:20

OP you should get this book:

www.cambridgescholars.com/transgender-children-and-young-people

(I think there is a 20% discount if you put "Transgender20" at checkout). I think it may be available in Kindle soon also.

It is a collection of gender critical articles and essays.

You should also look at

www.transgendertrend.com

This is UK based and Stephanie Davies-Arai is doing sterling work to raise the concerns many parents have. This talk summarises the situation:

I am dealing with this with my daughter. I believe that she thinks she is male, I just don't believe she is. It's a complex issue and I think you need to be prepared for the long haul. You have my every sympathy.

starfishsunrise · 31/12/2017 15:40

I’ve found a message board called ‘gender critical resources ‘ and I have asked to join.

@Stopmakingsense - it seems to be more common with girls, from what I have read.

I asked him today if he wanted to talk but he doesn’t. He still pees standing up which is baffling me.

He is very single minded. He spends too much time alone in his room and on the internet but it’s a Pandora’s Box situation- can’t really police the internet.

I caught a glimpse of something on an online forum he wrote
He referred to me as transphobic and said when I said it was a phase it made him hate me even more.

There are no signs of hatred from him! I can’t say we are best friends because he doesn’t talk about emotions but we have chats about music, food, politics etc.
I take an interest in his school work etc

The world is mad.

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BlackBetha · 31/12/2017 15:41

"He said in the letter he would be happier and more comfortable with his body as a girl."

This might be a relevant point, in that he's telling you he's not feeling happy or comfortable with his body right now. Which of course is quite a common feeling to have at that age (as well as maybe feeling you don't fit in socially with the other boys/girls), and with 'trans' being such a visible and talked-about thing at the moment, I can imagine how it's easy for them to latch onto that as an explanation for why they're feeling uncomfortable, and a potential way to fix it.

Jealousy of girls is not that uncommon in boys and young men either, especially if relationships haven't worked out well and they feel insecure about their social status - it can look to them as though it's all so much easier for the girls, in terms of being found attractive, getting a partner, etc.

So possibly it's all fairly normal teenage stuff, though I agree about keeping an eye (as much as you can at his age) on what he's accessing and who he's interacting with online; there are some groups it would not be healthy for him to get involved in, especially when feeling uncertain and insecure like this.

BeyondAssignation · 31/12/2017 15:43

What forum is he using? Some can be very... influential ...

I'd probably have a very close look at his internet usage in general, actually.

starfishsunrise · 31/12/2017 15:45

@BlackBetha
I agree and he was a bit chubby for a few years.

I’m trying to keep an eye on his online life but he’s cleverer than me with computer stuff so I have no chance.

I have found a reference in a chat group that he was asking questions about womb transplants so he could have children one day.

No wonder he doesn’t like biology!

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blackdoggotmytongue · 31/12/2017 15:58

He is being brainwashed online by the many older AGP males who use teens to validate themselves. They are telling him that anything other than complete support is transphobic. This is how families get broken - by strangers online who are poisoning your child against you.
Please do read 4thwavenow if you haven’t already. His online ‘friends’ won’t be advocating ‘wait and see’, they will be telling him you are a transphobe, that you are committing a hate act by deadnaming him, and will be encouraging him to transition as fully and immediately as he can.
It is indeed the new goth, however unfortunately now the pressure to conform to the trans ideology is constant online. It’s insidious.

Mishappening · 31/12/2017 16:04

Read Grayson Perry's The Descent of Man. Here is part of my review of it:
^...... this is an intelligent, fluently written and thought-provoking account of being male in today's society. His basic argument is that the stereotype of the male does a huge disservice to society (and has done so throughout history) and to men themselves. He is not anti-men – he is one himself – nor blindly pro-feminist, but writes with a sense of sadness at the moulding of boys and young men into a form that demands more of them than any human should be asked to shoulder, to their detriment and that of us all:

“most violent people, rapists, criminals, killers, tax avoiders, corrupt politicians, planet despoilers, sex abusers and dinner-party bores, do tend to be, well… men”

His “Default Man” “... prioritizes 'rational' goals like profit, efficiency, self-determination and ambition over emotional rewards like social cohesion, quality of life, culture and happiness.”

“What would happen if we rethought the old, macho, outdated version of manhood, and embraced a different idea of what makes a man? Apart from giving up the coronary-inducing stress of always being 'right' and the vast new wardrobe options, the real benefit might be that a newly fitted masculinity will allow men to have better relationships - and that's happiness, right?”

He is very good at asking us to contemplate how the male view of the world “just is” – it is what we have all grown up with – it is what we accept as the norm - it is woven into the fabric of our western world, from town planning and political systems to the design of public toilets.

The book is not without its flaws. It attempts to be all-encompassing, but is in fact mainly centred around the western male. However, it is a charming, honest and tender attempt to set the ball rolling on a new way of looking at masculinity; not one that is based on feminist theories (which is where most analyses of gender equality start), but one that takes a close look at how men are nurtured into a role that is not only painful for many men themselves but also causes (and has caused) untold misery for the world. There is a gently regretful air to the book, coupled with wit and humour and a hint of hope - and tongue in cheek...“We need to breed smaller, more sensitive men. Get Gareth Malone to a sperm bank now!”

Definitely worth a read.^

I do think that it is worth reading as it may be that some young people who want to change gender are in fact rebelling against the role that is assigned to their natal gender; and that maybe it is the role not the gender that we should be challenging.

Stopmakingsense · 31/12/2017 16:47

Starfish - I am on that support board too. There are a lot of US / Canadian parents but it does represent a wide range of views (not all of which I agree with) but underlines the fact that every situation is different, and all our children are unique.

I would consider whether he is on the autistic spectrum - not an issue in itself so no need to label him or seek a diagnosis if he is functioning well. It is just autistic young people appear particularly vulnerable to being unsure about their identity in the later teenage years and latching on to Transgenderism as a convenient explanation.

I was called transphobic too for suggesting that this might not last forever. It's a complete nightmare. I feel so desperately protective and it's like watching a slow motion car crash that I can do nothing about.

ILoveDolly · 31/12/2017 17:01

A lot of teens feel intensely uncomfortable and wrong in their bodies, growing into yourself is an odd process, you often do feel inadequate as if you don't live up to expectations and are different from everyone else. Couple this with an intense and burgeoning interest in the female body and you have? A normal straight teen male....... albeit one who sees the attractiveness and softness of girls (I find it interesting that he is at a boys school, does he have a lot of contact with platonic farting gross normal girls?) and feels like maybe if he's different from the boys then he's not a boy.

Timeforanamochango · 31/12/2017 17:18

My best friend (since we were 3) came out as transgender to his parents years after we all knew he was - they had no idea and didn’t see it coming. His dad beat him up when he found out and told him that he was not welcome at home as the community would talk about them etc, he said that the response from his dad didn’t hurt him anywhere near as much as his mum still referring to him as ‘she’ and telling him it was just a fad and he’d grow out of it.

He’s now happy and fully transitioned from F to M and hasn’t spoken to either of his parents in atleast 8 years because of the way they handled it. Please just be there for him, it may be a phase he may not be trans but right now he’s come to you because he wants your support and acceptance, not to be told he’s being brainwashed by SM etc.

There’s a reason that suicide rates are so high amongst the trans community and i thank god regularly that my friend made it through the other side when on More than one occasion he tried to end his life because of the isolation of it all.

It must be a really stressful time for you and I wish you both well with it Flowers

starfishsunrise · 01/01/2018 09:51

Thanks again for all the comments.

@Timeforanamochango - something like your friends situation is one of my big fears.

I want to help but don’t know how and he is mainly in his bedroom as usual. I have nothing to react to.

I feel really tearful today. What a way to start the New Year.

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AnnaMagnani · 01/01/2018 10:04
Flowers

I suspect he is being massively influenced by his internet reading which can be all consuming and very directive. Womb transplants FFS. Theres a defined path on the internet based around Tumblr and Deviantart.

If you follow Lily Maynard on twitter she went through this with her daughter and found the most useful tactic was dragging her daughter into real life and away from the internet. The more he interacts with real life humans the better. Her daughter happily transitioned back and writes about it now.

RemainOptimistic · 01/01/2018 10:14

Cross dressing has been pushed aside by the trans agenda. It's daft. Conflating sexuality with everyday life. It's embarrassing tbh. I had a boyfriend who told me he was trans at 19. We explored his feelings and turns out he just enjoyed cross dressing, it gave him a sexual thrill and in fact he couldn't get an erection unless wearing women's underwear. He didn't want to present as a woman in everyday life, only in the bedroom and sometimes on a night out. I was proud of him for exploring his feelings and reaching his own conclusions and definition of who he was.

KellyMichelle · 25/04/2018 19:07

i think sometimes you HAVE to be supportive and have a open mind- when i was 14/15 i stated i was bisexual and none of my family agreed with it i was in a relationship with a girl - im now the age off 22 and pregnant and been in a relationship with a lad- do i still think im bisexual? yes. do people bring it up? no.

the truth is you have to accept your son, hes not going to change- perhaps hes not doing girl things because he feels like if he did come dressed as a girl you would not accept it.

alot off the time on the computer could he hes looking up help sites for transgender for him to transisiton, it could be to see if its a ' norm' which it is i think it is.

just try to be supportive, encourage him to grow let him find himself. i capital HAVE, because chances are your son will probably end up the most non judgemental person ever and would always be by yourself, no matter what he defines himself as - i hope you can accept it for him one day.

Wirelessmouse · 11/05/2018 09:36

4thwavenow.com/2018/05/10/the-project-of-a-lifetime-a-therapists-letter-to-a-trans-identified-teen/

Really thought-provoking piece here for any parents looking for advice.

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