Social sevices risk

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Hi.
My partner was charged with downloading indecent images, they were in cache files only and had viewed them by clicking on a link someone set him in a chat room. He never asked for then. He was charge for the offence.
We have a 1 year old daughter and social sevices are involved saying he is high risk and can no longer live with us. Although his court order says there is nothing legally stopping him being in the property
I stand by him and want our family back together but social sevices are being very difficult. Is there anything we can do legally that can put him back in the property? Really need some help and advice on this

I'm not defending OP's husband in the slightest as I don't know the specifics, but everyone here saying this is impossible should read up on steganography.

Steganography allows one image to be hidden inside another image. You'd never see the hidden image unless you were expecting it to be there and used the appropriate method to extract it.

Can be used for legitimate reasons like covert information sharing, but forums like 4chan literally had tutorials on how to do it as well, as it was a common method of sharing unsavoury files.

https://www.offgridweb.com/preparation/steganography-more-than-meets-the-eye/

So it is perfectly possible to click on e.g. a meme, not realising it actually has another file hidden within. And once you've clicked on it, it's 'downloaded' to your cache on your device (even if you didn't specifically click 'download').

This is the identical claim made by swathes of men caught with indecent images of children.

Until you've seen the prosecution file or sat through the hearing, please assume he's lying to you. These men also groom their partners, family and friends with their lies and make themselves into the victim. They cannot be trusted. You are none of you safe with a paedophile.

Social Services have a much better grasp of what's happening here and they are not making idle threats. You need to work with them and understand what had happened to you all.

Please contact a charity for support for you and your child.

https://stopso.org.uk/stopso-support-for-families/

https://www.stopitnow.org.uk/concerned-about-the-behaviour-of-another-adult/inform-for-families-of-people-who-have-offended-online/

@Helpwithsocialservices He inadvertently came across this material .

That's what pedos always say "someone sent this to me I don't know why!". Truth is pedophiles operate in secret online groups, they don't send these links randomly to strangers because a) they're very careful and b) sending a link to a total stranger might get them busted as IP's can be traced.

When someone completely innocent comes across these sort of images by total accident the first thing they do is contact the police, is that what your husband did?

My god woman, its not just YOUR child you need to protect. How can your child make friends? How can your child mix with other children if she LIVES WITH HER PEDOPHILE DADDY. You are unhinged. Your decision not to be vomiting at the thought of him is unhinged. Your husband is a danger to society. I would rather run my husband over with his own car leave my husband than EVER put my child or other peoples children in the slightest bit of danger. Social services need to hurry up in this case.

In addition to the above sensible responses - if your partner was a good man he'd be removing himself and ensuring his child was placed at no risk of being removed by social services or impacted by their assessments until this is resolved, if he's telling the truth he wouldn't be prosecuted. The fact he's been charged and the CPS have enough evidence to think they'll likely secure conviction means him telling the truth is highly unlikely.

And that’s exactly it. The police aren’t interested in whatever creepy, hard-core adult porn you’re looking at (they’ve seen it all before in their investigations) they are looking for the child abuse images, so there is never any excuse not to report it if you (somehow…) stumble across it.
There is so much more this creep is not telling OP. I’m hoping this is just temporary insanity on her part, because surely there would always be an element of doubt in your mind enough to want him out of your sight until you had evidence either way.

And I’d bet that police computer forensic teams can tell if the hidden files have been opened or not.

Hopefully this child will be removed from this family as it’s parents are unfit and unwilling to keep them safe.

Im not convinced this is genuine but if it is, it’s shocking.

Remember here on mumsnet when a troll uploaded a horrible image. The forum shut it down, stopped uploading images temporarily and dealt with it.

If this was an accidental opening of a link on an innocent chat, the court would have that paper trail. The context, the spam link etc. So I presume to be charged, it wouldn't of been innocent..else we all could be charged when we get hacked or spammed.

You won't be privy to all the evidence, or what information social services have in relation to the charge due to data privacy and laws.

The fact is social services have made this decision. So you either comply and let them sort it out in time. Or refuse and be seen as a Safeguarding risk that ignores professionals advice.

Those are your only two choices. Whether it turns out to be a misunderstanding or not, those are the two choices they have given you and they will judge you on what you choose.

Yes, they can.

I once had a client whose partner faced similar charges. He had to leave the family home, but she was still letting him see their children, initially outside the home, but then in the home and allowing him to stay over.

They were taken into care, and she lost her council house because her housing benefit was reduced ("bedroom tax") and she couldn't afford to stay there.

Social services are underfunded and as such the bar for social services involvement is ridiculously high.
In a professional capacity I've had to safeguard several children and I can't believe how relaxed SS have been about things.

The fact that they are heavily involved in this case means they are really really concerned OP.
You have to work with them or you will lose your DD.

Omg OP open your bloody eyes. Would the police even charge someone who “accidentally opened an unsolicited link” on a normal website? How would they even know unless it was a specific site they were already monitoring BECAUSE of its illegal content?
Weren’t there child abuse images shared here on Mumsnet recently one night by some sicko? I don’t think anyone here was charged for inadvertently viewing them. It doesn’t work like that. He’s not innocent.

And how many times and for how long.

How did the police know he had them then?

He's telling you lies.

I’m wondering if anything came from that? Were they able to trace the IP address to who shared the images? I hope so

Why do you want your child to be living with a man who gets aroused by child abuse?

You're absolutely crazy and social are correct that you'd better cut him out of your life if you want to keep your kid.

Sounds odd to me. Did he not report being sent images that were not wanted or asked for. If not then I think you are being spun a web of lies by him and he’s a paedophile. What evidence do you have that you have seen other than his word. The police can’t charge without evidence. Social services should be all over you as you do not seem to be taking this seriously and are a safe guarding risk to your child. No one in their right mind on here is going to advice you on how to have your partner move back in the property.

Occam's razor applies here.

He is a paedophile, what did the stranger say the link was? People don't just send child abuse images to anyone and everyone ...and the police don't charge people for accidentally opening a dodgy link, there will have been evidence as to why they have charged him. Grow up and protect your 1 year old!

@Helpwithsocialservices

IF this is a genuine thread, have you actually spoken to the police yourself and got all of the facts rather than just listening to what your partner is saying.

He could be downplaying the situation and hiding key information from you.

SS wouldn’t be getting involved for no reason and I’m sure they have all the information from the police which probably shows this wasn’t just a one off or was something he actively went looking for.

It will not be hard for them to know all of this.

so if his story is true, then I am assuming that he would be part of a much bigger case, with the person who sent them to him being charged with distribution, and your boyfriend having to give evidence against them. And I imagine that the guy would have 'given' them to more people than just him, because if not, then why?

The police always want to go after the higher ups, so did this bigger investigation happen, or was your boyfriend like all the other 'I did it by mistake and cant even look at it' blokes gaslighting the fuck out of everyone once they are caught.

If it was a genuine mistake then why was he charged for it? 🤔

At least this thread serves as a reminder that online predators always use exactly the same excuses.

At least he hasn't claimed it's 'research' yet.

Of course they can and sentencing will reflect that. Possession is still possession though.