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Just found out my mother died in January. No one told me before now and my sister has inherited everything.

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Ratatouee · 26/10/2023 06:33

I had an abusive mother growing up and when my father died a few years ago, no one told me for months (family members were afraid of her wrath). I didn’t even know he was ill/dying and was not notified of his death or funeral. I was incredibly sad about this. I live overseas, but my sister had my email as I visited her circa 18 months-2 years before he died (she didn’t mention to me at all that he had lung cancer and I think there’s a high probability she may have known at this point). I live overseas and so flew back to visit his grave and place flowers, as soon as I could, once I had heard the news of his passing.

Fast-forward a few more years, and I have found out via an old school friend this week, that my mother has also died (earlier this year). An unexpected/sudden death, apparently. I have been in shock. I just don’t understand how cruel my Aunty (who also had my email address and whom I thought loved me), could, in all conscience, not let me know my mother (her sister) had died, when she knew/saw how upset I’d been when I wasn’t told my late father was ill/had died? My sister has not contacted me either.

I’m guessing my sister must have inherited everything from our late mother’s estate, as no one has contacted me about her will. I’m not a materialistic person, however, my dad always told me and my sister that when he died, he’d leave each of us a house (he owned several at the time). I have no idea who the Executor of his will was and whether or not anything might have been left in his will to me. It’s a similar situation with my late mother: I have an old Will of hers she signed/had witnessed years ago, in which she states her wishes are to divide everything in her estate between my sister and I upon her death. I have no idea whether she changed her Will as we lost touch/didn’t get along for years due to her abuse, which continued into my adulthood. I’m not aware who the Executor of her will is either, or know where to begin to try to find out.

I’m wondering if anyone has any knowledge of contesting a will? Is it expensive? Is it worth the effort (etc)? I’m wondering if perhaps I haven’t been left ‘reasonable financial provision' as her eldest daughter (of two)? I’m a single, divorced over 55 woman with hardly and pension accumulated who struggles to fund a home/car/bills etc, (although I get by, by working my butt off). My sister was already well-off as she literally won the lottery decades ago (not the main prize, but a substantial amount that was enough to buy an investment property and a barn to convert into a home).

It can be costly contesting a Will from what I’ve read online. I’m not an adversarial person by nature, in fact I’m the polar opposite of my fiery/nasty sister and late mother, but the way I’ve been silenced/cut out, as if I don’t exist, has really upset me. If I were to gain anything from my late mother’s estate, I’d probably give it to my two adult children/her grandchildren. My mother had all my childhood/baby photos. At the very least, I’d have loved to have been passed some of them to be able to share with my children (and seem them for myself too after 50-ish years!)

Part of me says ‘sod them’ and I hope my sister ‘chokes’ on everything she has grabbed. The other part says: But what about all the poverty-stricken and abusive and neglectful childhood I had to live through, complete with emotional and physical abuse and now it’s as if I didn’t matter at all and didn't/don’t exist in my sister and mother’s eyes?

I’m wondering if you can please share your opinion of you would do in this situation? I feel really mixed about it all. She died in January this year, so I don’t even know if it’s too late to contest? I’ve only just found out, so I’m not sure if that has some bearing?

Sometimes, apart from my wonderful adult children, I wonder if it may have been better for me not to have been born at all. It would have saved all the pain, all the abuse and heartache and now this…the final ‘nail in the coffin.’ Literally.

Please be kind with your replies. She may not have liked me, but she was my mother after all. Thank you 💜

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Bakingdiva · 26/10/2023 10:19

I think perhaps some of the issue here is that you're not actually talking about contesting the will (which is where I think some of the 'grabby / tainted money' responses are coming from.

From what I read, I think (although I could be wrong of course) that you are worried that your living relatives haven't followed the letter of the wills that have been left. In that case it isn't a case of contesting (which is trying to override what was written) but is more about enforcing the actual wills (which should be much easier).

Your first steps, as people have said is to look for copies of the wills on the government website. If the wills are there, you can check what they said and therefore what your father and mother intended. (Although this might be a painful shock).

If there are no wills, then each of them died intestate. In which case there are specific rules that MUST be followed
https://www.gov.uk/inherits-someone-dies-without-will/y/england-and-wales/yes/feb-2020-jul-2023/yes

You can search here to see if probate has been granted (where there was a will) or letters of administration if there was no a will (and therefore intestate).

https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate

. If they were not followed then again, you can query the distribution of the assets - which is NOT the same thing as contesting a will.

You’ll need to get legal advice to work out the net value of the estate and to find out who will inherit what. - Intestacy - who inherits if someone dies without a will? - GOV.UK

https://www.gov.uk/inherits-someone-dies-without-will/y/england-and-wales/yes/feb-2020-jul-2023/yes

WinterDeWinter · 26/10/2023 10:21

ActDottie · 26/10/2023 10:05

You say you’re not materialistic but want to contest the will??? Hmmm

Your current financial situation is irrelevant to contesting a will.

It sounds like you had no relationship with your parents, understandably, so I don’t k ow why you think you should get anything?

You really can divide the world into empathetic humans and this type can’t you.

Tontostitis · 26/10/2023 10:24

My sisters have either nothing or very little to do with our mother and father. They are and were difficult people severely damaged by their own upbringing (both parents and us). They remain very hurt by my sisters behaviour. I work hard at my relationships with all of them which can be very toxic. I recognise how difficult it is but our parents are elderly and in poor health. They are scared and i will never forgive my sisters for the additional pain and upset their behaviour has caused. I will inform my sisters but don't want them at the funeral, fake crying for attention, so I will tell them after. I've have insisted to my parents that the will is split 3 ways although that really isn't what my parents say they want. I've found a joy and a certain level of peace by working tobrepaur my damaged relationships with my parents and it makes me very sad that it's come to this. Personally if either of my sisters had behaved like you have I wouldn't have inform them either. You went non contact it's a bit rich to complain about not being contacted.

54isanopendoor · 26/10/2023 10:27

OP. I am so sorry for what you have been through.
The part of your OP that jumps out to me is:
"the way I’ve been silenced/cut out, as if I don’t exist, has really upset me. If I were to gain anything from my late mother’s estate, I’d probably give it to my two adult children/her grandchildren. My mother had all my childhood/baby photos. At the very least, I’d have loved to have been passed some of them to be able to share with my children (and seem them for myself too after 50-ish years!)

I have been /am going to be (re each parent) in a very similar situation.
It hurts like hell to be treated as though you literally don't exist.
I contacted a grief charity who said that cases of 'complicated grief' like this can be very difficult indeed as there are so many (longstanding) emotions to process.

Some people posting will accuse you of being 'grabby'. You are not. We live in a very monitised society - you're being 'cut out' represents, very clearly, you not being treated as an equally deserving member of your family, whether there is £10 or £10M to 'divide up'. I would get copies of all paperwork.
Then think about whether to pursue this or protect yourself from further hurt.

I am so sorry you've had to find out about your parents deaths this way. Going NC is ususally a last resort. You are still their child. Your family behaved badly.

Thegoodbadandugly · 26/10/2023 10:36

Tonsontitus Who are you to make that decision? That is really bitter on your part, your parents had a difficult up bringing and looks like they mistreated you all, however as a parent whever you had a shit upbringing or not it is your job to change things for the better for your children so they don't go through what parents did, so why are you excusing your parents behaviour? Perhaps your sister doesn't want her children being brought up in a toxic environment and I don't blame her and if she doesn't have children I don't blame her for removing herself from a toxic environment. Funeral maybe the only closure she gets and you are taking that away from her which is incredibly selfish. You probably could be doing with having some therapy yourself.

adriftabroad · 26/10/2023 10:38

@Tontostitis

Not your decision to make.

MargotBamborough · 26/10/2023 10:39

@Tontostitis The OP went low/no contact with her parents for her own self-preservation, after years of abuse which lasted well into adulthood. That doesn't mean she deserved to find out about her mother's death many months later from someone unrelated to the family. Just because you choose to maintain a relationship with toxic, damaged people doesn't mean your sisters or the OP are wrong for deciding not to. Your sisters should have the chance to attend your parents' funerals. By denying them that opportunity you would be perpetuating the toxic behaviour that seems to have been modelled in your family. Your parents' deaths would be a good opportunity to try to draw a line under that and say, "We will not behave like this from now on."

adriftabroad · 26/10/2023 10:43

@Tontostitis cast yourself in the role of "only greiving daughter", you have even planned it, have you not?

Yuk. Skincrawl.

C8H10N4O2 · 26/10/2023 10:45

MargotBamborough · 26/10/2023 10:39

@Tontostitis The OP went low/no contact with her parents for her own self-preservation, after years of abuse which lasted well into adulthood. That doesn't mean she deserved to find out about her mother's death many months later from someone unrelated to the family. Just because you choose to maintain a relationship with toxic, damaged people doesn't mean your sisters or the OP are wrong for deciding not to. Your sisters should have the chance to attend your parents' funerals. By denying them that opportunity you would be perpetuating the toxic behaviour that seems to have been modelled in your family. Your parents' deaths would be a good opportunity to try to draw a line under that and say, "We will not behave like this from now on."

I don't agree that NC family should automatically be notified about deaths and illnesses. It can revive horrible memories and feelings of FOG in the victims of abuse.

Families may think they are being kind trying to imply some kind of post death reconciliation but it can just retraumatise a victim - the exact opposite of drawing a line under the experience.

What would be helpful is to have that discussion in advance so that those in contact know for sure what are the wishes of an NC family member.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/10/2023 10:45

Not all children in a family will necessarily have had the same experience of abusive parents. Sometimes some of the children escape the abuse entirely; sometimes one or more child is targeted for worse abuse.

No sibling is therefore in a position to judge what their other siblings might have gone through. You were children: you didn't necessarily pick up on everything that was happening to to your sibs.

On top of that, the best response to abuse will be different for everyone. Some people do find it helpful to re-establish contact with the parents as they age. For others, this will be a terrible idea. Just because you chose to have a relationship with your parents, @Tontostitis does not mean that your sisters have made the wrong choice because they haven't done the same. You sound as if you have adopted some of the harsh and judgemental attitudes of your parents.

worryingalot · 26/10/2023 10:51

You can absolutely challenge a will / expect to receive something as her daughter, unless she expressly didn’t want that. You should absolutely get some legal advice on this from a firm specialising in contested estates.
Sorry to hear what you’ve been through OP

Thegoodbadandugly · 26/10/2023 10:52

I can see what your saying however having that choice is important then it's the choice for the victim to make, having no choice can make things even worst as there's no chance of proper closure

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/10/2023 10:54

worryingalot · 26/10/2023 10:51

You can absolutely challenge a will / expect to receive something as her daughter, unless she expressly didn’t want that. You should absolutely get some legal advice on this from a firm specialising in contested estates.
Sorry to hear what you’ve been through OP

That is not true (assuming the OP is in E&W).

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 26/10/2023 11:05

Theresit · Today 08:33

Your Mum died and all you’re concerned about is the money?

Read the original and subsequent posts! Honestly, why take the trouble to make such a ridiculous comment?!

OP, I second looking up the wills, and taking it from there. A dear friend died last September, had an up to date will and affairs in order but nearly 14 months later and probate's not yet granted - that government dept is still dealing with covid lack-of-staff backlog, solicitor told us.

Good luck, I hope you get some closure going forward..

NonMiDispiace · 26/10/2023 11:10

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 26/10/2023 08:23

I would get copies of both parents wills. You don’t have to contest anything, but if you were left a house and your sister neglected to tell you, you could do something about that.

https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate

It’s easy to get copies of wills; I got my grandparents’ wills, many years after they died, because I couldn’t understand why I didn’t get anything when they had told my siblings and I that we would.
It transpired that we were left sizeable bequests to us but my father (sole executor) chose not to give them to us. He’s dead now so obviously nothing can be done.
It took 9 months to get probate for his will, 6 months for my mother’s.

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 26/10/2023 11:13

NonMiDispiace · 26/10/2023 11:10

https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate

It’s easy to get copies of wills; I got my grandparents’ wills, many years after they died, because I couldn’t understand why I didn’t get anything when they had told my siblings and I that we would.
It transpired that we were left sizeable bequests to us but my father (sole executor) chose not to give them to us. He’s dead now so obviously nothing can be done.
It took 9 months to get probate for his will, 6 months for my mother’s.

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Isn't it possible to claim on his estate as your bequests went into his illegally? Assuming he left any sort of estate, that is.

coffeeaddict77 · 26/10/2023 11:17

I would definitely look at the Will online. It may be that she didn't have much money when she died so there was no Will. This happened with my MIL. She had some money in the bank but they released it to BIL (and he spent it and sold all her possessions). This may have happened with your sister. Are you sure you didn't receive a message telling you she died? Perhaps you were e mailed but didn't receive it?

Yalta · 26/10/2023 11:23

You can get a copy of both your mother’s and fathers wills on line, I think they are £2 each. That will give you a copy of the wills and the executors etc

From my POV what usually happens is people promise you things but in their will leave their estate to their spouses/other parent expecting that when the other parent dies you will get what was promised further down the line. People fail to realise that if they don’t leave something to someone in their will they don’t have any guarantee that what they want will happen.

If if you want to leave your children something in your will then leave it to them
Don’t expect someone else, even if it is the other parent to do what you wish to happen but haven’t been bothered to put your wishes down in your will.

Paperbagsaremine · 26/10/2023 11:26

Ask for photos first.

Quietly check the probate registry for wills (or "letters of administration" which is what is done when the deceased is apparently intestate) for both parents. Postpone any action on this until you have exhausted all requests for photos etc.

I understand about the photos. My parents divorced when I was very young and my mother had no money. Photos were expensive. My stepdad had a camera but used it to take slides of trains...

Five years before he died my Dad handed me a big box of slides, which I digitised over a few months.
Pictures which probably hadn't been seen in 50 years, since the divorce.
Not only did it mean a lot to have pictures of my early childhood - which, the marriage being unhappy, nobody talked about - but seeing my parents as young people, people young enough to be my children now, helped me come to terms with some of their mistakes.

From what you say the situation might be ten times more fraught and painful for you.

If no photos are forthcoming, it might be worth joining school reunion groups and "Memories of MyTown" groups on FB and seeing if your contemporaries have any pics with you in. I do have a precious photograph of a couple of school friends, taken by the father of one of them. The other died of ovarian cancer and I have no other pictures of her.

DepartureLounge · 26/10/2023 11:39

Google Ilott v Mitson to see an example of how the courts have viewed adult children cut out of wills in the past.

One of the factors that may be taken into account if you choose to make a challenge is the expectation of inheritance, which the old will that you have in your possession may constitute evidence of.

IANAL but I would think that if anything intended for you under the terms of your father's will was misappropriated by your mother at that time, that would also be material in the disposition of her estate.

You need some facts first, but I don't think getting legal advice is a bad idea. As for money being tainted, well, money is neutral imo. It sounds as though the family has been toxic and you've done well to come out of it with your head screwed on, so if your situation could be improved by pursuing this, why shouldn't you. I hope you get your photos at least.

I'm sorry for what you've been through and the fact that so many people on your thread have no understanding of the complexity of families where estrangement is the only solution.

Pudmyboy · 26/10/2023 11:47

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This is shocking to me, that a person's wishes could be overruled in this way. Even if it is legal it is certainly not moral!

Hoorahfordogs · 26/10/2023 11:48

Myself, my mother and sister have zero contact with one of my sisters - she lives no more than half an hours drive from us all - and we have been non contact for years now because of a truly nasty thing she did to our mother

My mother is getting older now and we know that sister is not in the Will, and I would have no reason to let sister know if mother died - she wanted nothing to do with her during her life, made no effort to make amends for her actions so why would I inform her of her death?

I think that you need some counselling to move on from your past issues. As for the will - you’ve stated it’s not about the money but want to contest the will?

themothergoose · 26/10/2023 11:56

BoobyDazzler · 26/10/2023 06:51

It doesn’t sound like you had any kind of relationship with your mum so what makes you think you should inherit anything from her? Why would you want to anyway, I’d she was abusive?

My feeling would be that, if the mother was abusive and if OP had a terrible upbringing then the least she could do would be to leave the daughter something to make up for it.
I'd feel owed in a way.

If I were OP I'd also fight it.

themothergoose · 26/10/2023 11:58

I'd personally want to know if the old hag had died so I could pop a bottle. Then I'd find a lawyer and get my share of the estate.
Nothing to lose really.

WouldyouThink · 26/10/2023 11:58

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I know of similar, a friend of mine was left nothing in her mothers Will And her 2 siblings were - they both had jobs and owned houses she’s was in temp accommodation on full UC unable to work and contested it and won - I think the general opinion was that why should she have full benefits when she could be given equal inheritance (it was approx 800k) and come off UC and I think that’s why she won