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Just found out my mother died in January. No one told me before now and my sister has inherited everything.

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Ratatouee · 26/10/2023 06:33

I had an abusive mother growing up and when my father died a few years ago, no one told me for months (family members were afraid of her wrath). I didn’t even know he was ill/dying and was not notified of his death or funeral. I was incredibly sad about this. I live overseas, but my sister had my email as I visited her circa 18 months-2 years before he died (she didn’t mention to me at all that he had lung cancer and I think there’s a high probability she may have known at this point). I live overseas and so flew back to visit his grave and place flowers, as soon as I could, once I had heard the news of his passing.

Fast-forward a few more years, and I have found out via an old school friend this week, that my mother has also died (earlier this year). An unexpected/sudden death, apparently. I have been in shock. I just don’t understand how cruel my Aunty (who also had my email address and whom I thought loved me), could, in all conscience, not let me know my mother (her sister) had died, when she knew/saw how upset I’d been when I wasn’t told my late father was ill/had died? My sister has not contacted me either.

I’m guessing my sister must have inherited everything from our late mother’s estate, as no one has contacted me about her will. I’m not a materialistic person, however, my dad always told me and my sister that when he died, he’d leave each of us a house (he owned several at the time). I have no idea who the Executor of his will was and whether or not anything might have been left in his will to me. It’s a similar situation with my late mother: I have an old Will of hers she signed/had witnessed years ago, in which she states her wishes are to divide everything in her estate between my sister and I upon her death. I have no idea whether she changed her Will as we lost touch/didn’t get along for years due to her abuse, which continued into my adulthood. I’m not aware who the Executor of her will is either, or know where to begin to try to find out.

I’m wondering if anyone has any knowledge of contesting a will? Is it expensive? Is it worth the effort (etc)? I’m wondering if perhaps I haven’t been left ‘reasonable financial provision' as her eldest daughter (of two)? I’m a single, divorced over 55 woman with hardly and pension accumulated who struggles to fund a home/car/bills etc, (although I get by, by working my butt off). My sister was already well-off as she literally won the lottery decades ago (not the main prize, but a substantial amount that was enough to buy an investment property and a barn to convert into a home).

It can be costly contesting a Will from what I’ve read online. I’m not an adversarial person by nature, in fact I’m the polar opposite of my fiery/nasty sister and late mother, but the way I’ve been silenced/cut out, as if I don’t exist, has really upset me. If I were to gain anything from my late mother’s estate, I’d probably give it to my two adult children/her grandchildren. My mother had all my childhood/baby photos. At the very least, I’d have loved to have been passed some of them to be able to share with my children (and seem them for myself too after 50-ish years!)

Part of me says ‘sod them’ and I hope my sister ‘chokes’ on everything she has grabbed. The other part says: But what about all the poverty-stricken and abusive and neglectful childhood I had to live through, complete with emotional and physical abuse and now it’s as if I didn’t matter at all and didn't/don’t exist in my sister and mother’s eyes?

I’m wondering if you can please share your opinion of you would do in this situation? I feel really mixed about it all. She died in January this year, so I don’t even know if it’s too late to contest? I’ve only just found out, so I’m not sure if that has some bearing?

Sometimes, apart from my wonderful adult children, I wonder if it may have been better for me not to have been born at all. It would have saved all the pain, all the abuse and heartache and now this…the final ‘nail in the coffin.’ Literally.

Please be kind with your replies. She may not have liked me, but she was my mother after all. Thank you 💜

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DeeCee77 · 26/10/2023 08:20

Hibiscrubbed · 26/10/2023 08:06

What ‘winds me right up’ is blunt objects posting with clearly no understanding about the psychological trauma and scars left by a childhood of abuse and being othered by your own parent, the one who is supposed to be your safe place…

100%. It was a pathetic comment completely lacking in any compassion.

Sorry you've gone through this with your mother OP. I do agree with others that some counselling may do you some good. You've done a good job without her in your life so well done for that. Would the money be tainted? Personally I wouldn't want a penny given you've done it without her although I do get the 'see it as compensation' angle. I'd look to move on, and speaking to someone to unpack your feelings on this may help you to do just that. Good luck.

Legolegends · 26/10/2023 08:21

If you were my friend IRL I would totally advise you to see if you could contest the will, as long as you didn’t put too much emotional effort into it and get hurt. All these people talking about being grabby might not have been in a situation where one sibling has been prioritised over another, which causes pain in itself. And also - if some ££ were to bring you happiness after your parents’ demise, I can’t see that that is wrong. Sure I don’t know the ins and outs of the situation but I cannot imagine excluding one of my children from my will. Anyone living around me would have benefitted from extra ££ etc while I was alive.
I say go for it, without guilt or bitterness
but with the hope of making your life a little easier. Good luck with whatever path you choose xx

Lottie4 · 26/10/2023 08:21

Firstly, just wanted to say I'm sorry about what you've been through and the fact it's still not an easy situation with your family.

As said, if a copy of the Will isn't available through Probate, could be that it's not completed/registered yet.

Was the copy of the Will you have made with a solicitor? If so, do you know which firm of solicitors made the Will? If so, you may be able to trace the firm - many firms amalgamate locally over the years, often using part of their previous name in the new one. If not, a bit of digging around online may help. If a newer Will was made by the original firm, then that will have taken precedent and they will be aware of that (even if it takes a few days to search their records). If she made one elsewhere, any diligent solicitor would have written asking for her old will to avoid confusion in the future.

If you don't get anywhere with the above, I'd write to your sister saying it's a copy of the last known Will you have under which you're a beneficiary (meaning you're entitled to your share of personal property (photos!), not just money. Then can she please confirm it will be distributed in accordance with that Will or prove that a newer one exists. Slightest chance there is money available, you could use it to get Counselling to help with what has clearly been a difficult part of your life, or you can actually chose to reject your share - might sound odd, but like you say it's more the being recognised and cared about that counts.

Sparklfairy · 26/10/2023 08:22

Hibiscrubbed · 26/10/2023 08:06

What ‘winds me right up’ is blunt objects posting with clearly no understanding about the psychological trauma and scars left by a childhood of abuse and being othered by your own parent, the one who is supposed to be your safe place…

I still don't understand why you think you should or even could get money from them when they die?

Fwiw my dad is an abusive cunt who I'm NC with. I know he will take great delight in cutting me out of his will and thinking I will be very upset by this. I will not be.

OrnateFruiteDove · 26/10/2023 08:23

@Springiscomingsoonish no one would be notified. Wills, once probate is granted become a matter of public record (unless for some reason they are sealed - for example, like the Duke of Edinburgh's will). So it would be the same as ordering a copy of a birth or death certificate. An application is made to the registry and a copy is sent.

blackboots2 · 26/10/2023 08:23

This is a tricky one OP. On one hand if you get a copy of the Will and discover it was changed and you were cut out, that's quite likely going to cause you even more upset and hurt. On the other hand, if provision was made for you and you haven't been contacted, you'd like to know that too.

Many years ago my dad was in the same position with his mother. She had a lot of issues and most of her relationships were toxic. In the last years of her life she cut him out of her Will and gave the lot to one half sibling. Obviously her right to do so but it still stung a lot! My dad wasn't concerned about the money, just hurt that she used her Will as one last way to hurt him. He made peace with it by simply saying, 'she gave me nothing in life and she gave me nothing in death'. Flowers

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 26/10/2023 08:23

I would get copies of both parents wills. You don’t have to contest anything, but if you were left a house and your sister neglected to tell you, you could do something about that.

midnightblue12 · 26/10/2023 08:24

I'm so sorry to hear what you've been through OP and what you've continued to go through in recent years with not being told about your parents passing.
I can't imagine how that must feel, despite what terms you were on before hand.
You've been treated terribly and I hope you can move forward in your life without this holding you back ❤️

MsRosley · 26/10/2023 08:29

OrnateFruiteDove · 26/10/2023 08:19

I get it too, it is not about the money but it seems like a final 'F**k you' - that nobody even bothered to tell her about the death. A simple email would have been all it would have taken. I can't imagine the shock and to be honest humiliation of having to find something like this out from a local friend.

I think it is quite cruel to criticise the Op here and shows a lack of understanding of childhood trauma.

I completely agree. My god, there's some judgemental arses on this thread.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/10/2023 08:29

Sparklfairy · 26/10/2023 08:22

I still don't understand why you think you should or even could get money from them when they die?

Fwiw my dad is an abusive cunt who I'm NC with. I know he will take great delight in cutting me out of his will and thinking I will be very upset by this. I will not be.

Not everyone responds in the same way to childhood abuse. Is that really so difficult to understand?

Many survivors of abuse hold on, subconsciously, to the hope of an apology from the abuser. The abuser's death can be devastating, because it takes away any chance of that happening. Being cut out of a will is rubbing salt into the wound: it's the opposite of an apology, it's doubling-down.

OopsaDazy · 26/10/2023 08:30

I just don’t understand how cruel my Aunty (who also had my email address and whom I thought loved me), could, in all conscience, not let me know my mother (her sister) had died, when she knew/saw how upset I’d been when I wasn’t told my late father was ill/had died? My sister has not contacted me either.

It's possible your mother didn't want you to know and asked the rest of the family not to tell you.

I'm sorry for your loss, but both of you had decades to make up and didn't.

You can't expect to inherit anything.

Sorry.

C8H10N4O2 · 26/10/2023 08:30

MayThe4th · 26/10/2023 06:45

I suggest that you seek some therapy to help you come to terms with your childhood and what happened to you.

With regards to your mother’s death and your inheritance, you had no relationship with these people. Even the auntie you thought would have told you.

The fact you refer to them all having your “email address” shows that you weren’t close to any of them. So it stands to reason they may not have thought to let you know your mother had died.

Even your father presumably could have told you he was ill? Why didn’t he?

I’m sorry you had such a toxic family, but tbh I would take this opportunity to find a way to move forward with your life and put them all behind you.

This is good advice.

OP get the parents' wills so that you have facts to work with but focus on the help you need to move forward. Ask for the photographs if they still exist.

For the rest - if you were effectively NC with your family then its not that surprising that they don't have you in their wills, however hard that may feel.

blackboots2 · 26/10/2023 08:31

I hope the really unkind replies on this thread don't cause you any more upset OP. MN can be a very vicious place.

Fleetheart · 26/10/2023 08:31

I think you should certainly have a look at the will. Is there anything that would force an executor (say if it were your sister) to do their legal duty?

I also feel sad that you suffered such abuse. Obviously this is all down to your mother and not you in any way, and of course you have gone no contact. But OF COURSE you would expect to hear when your parents died. Why on earth not? that is a courtesy to be expected by anyone.

and actually if anyone is entitled to some money, why would it not be you? I don’t really get why some posters are being unsympathetic, this is an awful situation which needs empathy.

Whataretheodds · 26/10/2023 08:33

I'm surprised at some of the replies!

Is OP legally entitled to some of the estate - possibly, depends on the will and legal advice.

Is there a moral objection some of you have to OP inheriting some of the estate?

Bizarre.

Theresit · 26/10/2023 08:33

Your Mum died and all you’re concerned about is the money?

Theresit · 26/10/2023 08:35

Fleetheart · 26/10/2023 08:31

I think you should certainly have a look at the will. Is there anything that would force an executor (say if it were your sister) to do their legal duty?

I also feel sad that you suffered such abuse. Obviously this is all down to your mother and not you in any way, and of course you have gone no contact. But OF COURSE you would expect to hear when your parents died. Why on earth not? that is a courtesy to be expected by anyone.

and actually if anyone is entitled to some money, why would it not be you? I don’t really get why some posters are being unsympathetic, this is an awful situation which needs empathy.

Choosing to not inform someone of a death is sometimes dependent on bad behaviour at previous funerals…

Neriah · 26/10/2023 08:36

MayThe4th · 26/10/2023 07:56

You sound very grabby for no discernible reason. actually I’m not sure about that.

While I still think that on most levels it would be best for OP to find a way to move forward with her life, equally as the mother was so abusive and if she had had anything left to leave I’d want the bitch to pay. So I might go after the will on the basis that this could be the last opportunity to not let her get what she wanted.

I'd be very worried about the mental health of someone thinking like that - she's dead and won't have any idea whether she got what she wanted. I guarantee that is a very bad rabbit hole to start going down, because you never get satisfaction.

OP. let's say you start a legal case against your mothers will, and one way or another you get something as a result. Will that eradicate or change a single think about your past life? Will it make your relationship with your mother better? Will it heal anything? The fact is that it won't. Any such battle is likely to be costly in terms of money and mental load, and make the anger and other negative emotions worse.

Thedm · 26/10/2023 08:36

Why are you so set on blaming your sister here? Your father could have told you he was ill all by himself. Why didn’t he pick up the phone? He didn’t want to.

You had your reasons but you left the family, and the contact you did have with them seems like it was one sided; you going to see them but not much the other way. Sadly, it just sounds like they didn’t want to be involved with you. They have no obligation to leave you anything in their wills. Your father didn’t tell you he was ill, so it sounds like he probably didn’t leave you anything either and you’re not entitled to anything.

It isn’t fair or right, they have treated you badly. But it is what it is. You can check the wills yourself online just to be sure your dad didn’t leave something though.

OopsaDazy · 26/10/2023 08:37

Usually, when someone dies and their estate goes to probate, all potential beneficiaries have to be contacted.

We did probate ourselves for my late MIL. We had to provide the solicitor with names and addresses of all her siblings (many) so they knew of the Will.
As it was, it was straightforward with her estate being split 50-50 between her two sons.

However, there was the chance that any one them could have contested the Will.

So, if you want to see her Will, unless she died intestate, you can find it on a government website. Even doing so may put your mind at rest.

user1471538283 · 26/10/2023 08:37

I am so sorry.

I think you need to weigh up what would hurt you less. Would it hurt you less to try and contest the will and possibly get some money or things? Would it hurt you less to let it all go?

You can get a copy of both your parents wills which will be a starting point.

I would definately approach your DA to find out about the photographs.

BeetleDeuce · 26/10/2023 08:37

It doesn’t take long to get the wills - please do apply. It seems odd that your father might have changed his intentions when you were in contact. At least you will know and won’t have to wonder about it.

Please do get counselling if you haven’t already. It’s fantastic for real closure, even though you have made a success of your life. It’s also the best thing you can do to make yourself the best parent you can be, even now with adult children.

I’m sorry for all these painful losses and hope you can move forward with some healing from it all.

Sureaseggs44 · 26/10/2023 08:38

pickledandpuzzled · 26/10/2023 07:49

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to pursue an inheritance, even where there was bad feeling. Relationships are complex- we can simultaneously love and fear people, long for their approval and recognition despite their behaviour to us.

And yes, someone’s family wealth should be shared with all the family assuming individuals haven’t behaved badly.

This is actually under way in my family so I’m fairly aware of the complexities.

OP I think you are hoping for recognition from the will, a sign that they haven’t cast you off completely.

You may find your dad left everything to his wife (very normal). She may have specifically excluded you in her will, or else your sister has simply stolen your share- not hard to do, no one checks.

Get someone else to look up and read the wills for you, and tell you whether there’s anything you need to pursue. Don’t read them yourself in case they are upsetting.

This. I don’t think it’s right if anyone has gone against the wishes of the persons will but you won’t know unless you get a copy and find out.

Unusualactualname · 26/10/2023 08:39

The notion of 'tainted' money is bollocks. 'Tainted' money can support a house deposit, buy a car, pay the rent, pay for supermarket shops just as effectively as 'non-tainted'. I doubt anyone in a non-Mumsnet world would turn down money they consider 'tainted'.

Canisaysomething · 26/10/2023 08:39

It sounds like you will have more luck with therapy than trying to find any reason or justification why you weren’t told. It sounds incredibly painful and frustrating💐