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Just found out my mother died in January. No one told me before now and my sister has inherited everything.

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Ratatouee · 26/10/2023 06:33

I had an abusive mother growing up and when my father died a few years ago, no one told me for months (family members were afraid of her wrath). I didn’t even know he was ill/dying and was not notified of his death or funeral. I was incredibly sad about this. I live overseas, but my sister had my email as I visited her circa 18 months-2 years before he died (she didn’t mention to me at all that he had lung cancer and I think there’s a high probability she may have known at this point). I live overseas and so flew back to visit his grave and place flowers, as soon as I could, once I had heard the news of his passing.

Fast-forward a few more years, and I have found out via an old school friend this week, that my mother has also died (earlier this year). An unexpected/sudden death, apparently. I have been in shock. I just don’t understand how cruel my Aunty (who also had my email address and whom I thought loved me), could, in all conscience, not let me know my mother (her sister) had died, when she knew/saw how upset I’d been when I wasn’t told my late father was ill/had died? My sister has not contacted me either.

I’m guessing my sister must have inherited everything from our late mother’s estate, as no one has contacted me about her will. I’m not a materialistic person, however, my dad always told me and my sister that when he died, he’d leave each of us a house (he owned several at the time). I have no idea who the Executor of his will was and whether or not anything might have been left in his will to me. It’s a similar situation with my late mother: I have an old Will of hers she signed/had witnessed years ago, in which she states her wishes are to divide everything in her estate between my sister and I upon her death. I have no idea whether she changed her Will as we lost touch/didn’t get along for years due to her abuse, which continued into my adulthood. I’m not aware who the Executor of her will is either, or know where to begin to try to find out.

I’m wondering if anyone has any knowledge of contesting a will? Is it expensive? Is it worth the effort (etc)? I’m wondering if perhaps I haven’t been left ‘reasonable financial provision' as her eldest daughter (of two)? I’m a single, divorced over 55 woman with hardly and pension accumulated who struggles to fund a home/car/bills etc, (although I get by, by working my butt off). My sister was already well-off as she literally won the lottery decades ago (not the main prize, but a substantial amount that was enough to buy an investment property and a barn to convert into a home).

It can be costly contesting a Will from what I’ve read online. I’m not an adversarial person by nature, in fact I’m the polar opposite of my fiery/nasty sister and late mother, but the way I’ve been silenced/cut out, as if I don’t exist, has really upset me. If I were to gain anything from my late mother’s estate, I’d probably give it to my two adult children/her grandchildren. My mother had all my childhood/baby photos. At the very least, I’d have loved to have been passed some of them to be able to share with my children (and seem them for myself too after 50-ish years!)

Part of me says ‘sod them’ and I hope my sister ‘chokes’ on everything she has grabbed. The other part says: But what about all the poverty-stricken and abusive and neglectful childhood I had to live through, complete with emotional and physical abuse and now it’s as if I didn’t matter at all and didn't/don’t exist in my sister and mother’s eyes?

I’m wondering if you can please share your opinion of you would do in this situation? I feel really mixed about it all. She died in January this year, so I don’t even know if it’s too late to contest? I’ve only just found out, so I’m not sure if that has some bearing?

Sometimes, apart from my wonderful adult children, I wonder if it may have been better for me not to have been born at all. It would have saved all the pain, all the abuse and heartache and now this…the final ‘nail in the coffin.’ Literally.

Please be kind with your replies. She may not have liked me, but she was my mother after all. Thank you 💜

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C8H10N4O2 · 26/10/2023 09:23

Escapetofrance · 26/10/2023 09:16

It was cruel or your family to not let you know. What could their reasons be for this behaviour?
It sounds like counselling is a good idea to help you process your childhood, neglect and abuse. I am very sorry for all that you’ve been through.

Not necessarily - if someone is NC that includes notifications about illness and death. Its not unknown for well meaning (usually) family members to try and "mend" NC by chasing the person with messages about illness and death which just perpetuates the pain and can bring back bad memories for the victim. Its kinder sometimes to let the past stay in the past.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/10/2023 09:26

Unusualactualname · 26/10/2023 08:39

The notion of 'tainted' money is bollocks. 'Tainted' money can support a house deposit, buy a car, pay the rent, pay for supermarket shops just as effectively as 'non-tainted'. I doubt anyone in a non-Mumsnet world would turn down money they consider 'tainted'.

Some might, but not many.

The shitty answers on MN threads about wills are due to jealousy, and are pathetic. Take no notice, OP.

OopsaDazy · 26/10/2023 09:27

Whoever the executor is, has a legal duty to inform you of her death and the Will.

We did probate ourselves 9as I posted earlier) for my MIL.
However, it was overseen by her family solicitor who told us what to do.

The first step was to ask any living siblings if they felt they had a claim to her estate. She had 7 siblings and we had to find out their addresses (from the aunts and uncles who knew where they were.)

Whoever is dealing with her Will should be informing you.

AmberFields · 26/10/2023 09:30

My Mother left everything to my sister the difference is I have a lot of siblings so they were in the same boat as me so at least we could talk it through with each other. Myself and one other had seen it coming for years as youngest sister was always the favourite and accepted it decades ago. The sister that felt like me had completely extricated herself from any relationship whatsoever and I was low contact. I paid for therapy and it was the best thing I could have ever done. Two of my siblings were devastated a bit like yourself, I would say one had MH issues develop because of it. So please talk it though with a therapist. My siblings wanted to contest but they wanted me to deal with it. After discussion we decided not to plus two of my siblings were in poor health, one died a couple of years later and I was genuinely worried about how it would affect them. The chances of winning were very slim, I consulted 2 solicitors.

I think what came out of my time with my therapist was the problem was her and most definitely not us and there was nothing I could do to make her love me like she loved little sister.

Unicorntastic · 26/10/2023 09:30

Honestly OP I think you owe it to yourself to find out, if only for closure. I don’t actually think it’s bad to want some of the estate, it belonged to the family and you are family.

crookshank · 26/10/2023 09:31

@Ratatouee the email informing you of your mother's death may have gone to spam, or an old address. Suggest you contact your relatives, let them know you have just found out, and take it from there. Depending on their response, maybe call them for a chat.

Livelovebehappy · 26/10/2023 09:36

I get where you’re coming from OP. Even though you were nc, you would still want to be told your parents have died. All it would take is just a very brief email saying ‘your mother has passed’, and it would have at least allowed you to have closure of what’s gone on in your life. I’m guessing even if you’re nc with a parent, you would still grieve in your own way for a life you wanted, never had, and now can not have as that person has gone. I would definitely get a copy of probate/will, just to make sure there is nothing in there that suggests any money was left to your family. Your mother may have even left something to your children, bypassing you, so you need to find out for their sake too.

Ibuamnti · 26/10/2023 09:37

My mum died a year ago, had a fairly simple will.. her half of the house she and her husband owned went into trust for siblings and I, everything else went to her husband. It took until last month for it to all be finalised. These things aren't sorted out in a few weeks, or even months. And if there were any complications it could still be being dealt with.

Yocal · 26/10/2023 09:41

I fully expect the same thing to happen to me OP. However, my view is simple. Being cut out of the will is a very small price to pay for no longer having to put up with family abuse and gaslighting.
I basically fully expect them to stick their inheritence up their arse. I'm living on my own terms and that is priceless.

I presume your mother is a narc, so it's completely normal for them to cut you out if you no longer give them supply. It's all about transactions. Just move on.

3luckystars · 26/10/2023 09:47

I would definitely try to make contact with your sister, she could be dead too for all you know.

Sorry for the loss of your dad a few years ago, he seems like the best parent you had.

WinterDeWinter · 26/10/2023 09:47

The will may very likely not be settled yet - there are huge post covid delays at hmrc. So I think you should deffo see a solicitor @Ratatouee

but more importantly- I really understand why you want some of the inheritance. I had a pretty grim childhood in many ways and consider the money left me to be a kind of blood money. That’s the only way I can think of putting it.

GoingDownLikeBHS · 26/10/2023 09:48

I get it OP, I really get it. You were treated unfairly whilst they were alive and have been treated unfairly now they are dead. The abuse continued into adulthood and beyond the grave; just the feeling that at the end of their lives they didn't think of you. Technically there are things you can do to find details of the will which I think others have suggested earlier on in the thread, but emotionally and personally you must seek counselling to deal with your childhood - I know you are 55 but you don't want to carry this burden for another 30+ years.

BrimfulOfMash · 26/10/2023 09:54

OP, I am so sorry, this all sounds so difficult and painful.

I would check out both your parents wills.

If your Mum was declared to have died intestate the Will you hold could be the valid one, if it was never updated and she did not subsequently marry.

pythonny · 26/10/2023 09:55

Escapetofrance · 26/10/2023 09:16

It was cruel or your family to not let you know. What could their reasons be for this behaviour?
It sounds like counselling is a good idea to help you process your childhood, neglect and abuse. I am very sorry for all that you’ve been through.

I have an aunt who is/was NC with my grandmother. When my grandmother was very ill, we contacted her to let her know but she got really upset. She interpreted it as us expecting her to care and grieve, guilt tripping her, etc (which actually wasn't true at all, I don't think anyone was expecting anything). So when my grandmother eventually passed away, we didn't contact her in case she felt the same way again. I don't know if she has found out by now.

Thegoodbadandugly · 26/10/2023 09:57

Hi op, I feel you have been given a real hard time, I can kind of see where you are coming from, I don't necessarily think it's about the money but more about closure which you have never received, if I were in your position I would probably look into some form of therapy to help you overcome your trauma, no amount of money is going to help you feel better.

You also only have one life and you are carrying around a lot of baggage, I was in a similar position to you with parents being alive, one dead now and one dying and I was carrying around baggage just like you and I was in turmoil whever to see dying parent or not but due to date and circumstances I ended up seeing parent and actually have now lost all that baggage, obviously this is the chance you don't have and even worst for you was not being able to go to the funeral to let go of that baggage so I can imagine your very angry hurt and sad. Please get some therapy it's not worth carrying that baggage it just holds you back. Good luck op you have suffered a lot.

Whalewatchers · 26/10/2023 09:58

Thinking of you OP. Sounds dreadful altogether. I hope hearing about her death can bring some closure for you. It must be horrible to have had an abusive mother, the person who is meant to love you unconditionally and more than anyone else in the world. Their duty to love, care and protect you. It's no reflection on you, they must not have been a good person. Stay strong. All the best

Lwrenagain · 26/10/2023 09:59

I see this is posted in legal matters so I'll simply suggest a few phone calls to solicitors who will give you the free initial consultation or solicitors who do the "no win/no fee" route.

I'm terribly sorry this has happened to you, I was NC with my father when he died because he was a hideous human, however i was informed of his death immediately after his body was discovered. I cant imagine how it would be to not know.
I'm really sad for you and hope you do get something.

CameleonAreFightingBack · 26/10/2023 10:00

I think people who say the OP has no right because they were no contact…. have no clue tbh.

Ive seen it happen with my dad and his father.
My grand father was an abusive narcissist. Seriously awful. He also tried to manipulate the will so my dad wouldn’t get anything (not the U.K., by law, the children have to get at least 50% of the inheritance).
The hurt for my dad was awful. It wasn’t about the money but about the fact his dad had still managed to kick him in the teeth beyond his grave.

I can totally see where @Ratatouee is coming from.
Its the hurt from being pushed aside and ignored not just by her sister (which I get didn’t come as a great surprise) but her aunt who is had a relationship with.
Its the being ignored in the will as yet another sign of the difference in treatment from her mum.
It’s not about the money. It’s about the message it’s sending.

Passepartoute · 26/10/2023 10:02

It sounds like it may just be worth getting a copy of your father's will, though it's probable that your mother influenced him into changing it if there was anything left to you.

Thegoodbadandugly · 26/10/2023 10:05

Whale watchers again your post is really valid, all the people that are being nasty not having a clue how the op feels, imagine that feeling of being unloved all your life, the pain of just that alone and yet people can hide anonymously behind a screen calling op all sorts when they have absolutely no idea is actually heartbreaking.

ActDottie · 26/10/2023 10:05

You say you’re not materialistic but want to contest the will??? Hmmm

Your current financial situation is irrelevant to contesting a will.

It sounds like you had no relationship with your parents, understandably, so I don’t k ow why you think you should get anything?

CameleonAreFightingBack · 26/10/2023 10:06

@Ratatouee The best you can do is to ask for probate and see if you can have access to the will - if there was any.
That will tell you
If your dsister tried to pocket things that weren’t hers
What your mother actually planned
And where you stand legally.

I’d brace myself to learn things you probably didn’t really want to know/more hurt tbh. These things usually are.

THEN you have the question of what to do about it. And wether you actually want to still have contact with your family. Counselling is a good idea. So is evaluating the cost to yourself of going down the legal route if there is indeed something you were supposed to get as inheritance.

Im really sorry.
It’s hard enough to learn about the death of a parent, even when you were NC/LC. But learn about it so late in the day, learn that the people you thought would care enough to ket you know didn’t is 😢😢

Thegoodbadandugly · 26/10/2023 10:08

ActDottie you actually have no idea, just stick the boot in to op even more, I hope it makes you feel good sitting there behind your screen making op feel even worst. Have a nice day won't you!

ttcat37 · 26/10/2023 10:09

Don't give up on this- you deserve something after everything you’ve gone through- compensation for the injuries you sustained both physically and mentally. Get copies of both your parents’ wills. If you haven’t been left anything then contest both through a no win no fee solicitor. Don’t contact the rest of your family. You’re better off without them. Let the solicitor do everything.

adriftabroad · 26/10/2023 10:18

@ttcat37 110%

Things have been made extremely difficult for you. Extend the same courtesy.

I repeat. Your sister did not tell you for a reason. A deafening silence,forthe eldest daughter? Most odd. Legally and morally.

See that lawyer (or 2, or 10) Not all lawyers are equal IME