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Keeping my son in hospital against my will

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TaashenMartian · 16/12/2017 01:36

My son was born at 34 weeks on the 14th October with a heart condition. For the duration of his life (2 months) we have been in different hospitals. He is now stable enough to go home until his operation but because me and my sons dad had an argument in the hospital social services are involved and they won’t let us take him home. I have another child (a3 year old) who is still in my care and they have no plans to take her away. I want to know if they can legally keep my son in hospital due to safeguarding issues If my daughter is still in my care? Can I legally self discharge him if he is well enough to go home even though social services are involved? They have no reason to take my children from me as all it was was an argument, hence why my daughter is still in my care. But they are refusing to discharge my son until the case is resolved. Can they legally do this? What rights do I have? I feel if there are real safeguarding issues and my son can not be in my care then surely my daughter can’t either? Any advice would be much appreciated. This is incredibly stressful and I just want my son home for Christmas

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CurryWorst · 21/12/2017 16:01

Maybe, but there's no reason that anybody should find it incredible that cock ups happen

Nobody has, or does. Hmm

haveacupofteaandamincepie · 21/12/2017 16:23

The most plausible explanation is that the hospital social worker has asked for no discharge until family support is in place. Which would be fair and reasonable for them to do.

Killerfairy · 21/12/2017 16:53

I really wish there was a hide poster on MN

CurryWorst · 21/12/2017 16:58

Well there isn't, so you can't just ignore the people who tell the truth.

Killerfairy · 21/12/2017 17:08

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Killerfairy · 21/12/2017 17:10

You've just posted on this thread that SS are over stretched - yet said last night on another thread you would call SS if they took their child to a spiritualist church .

You like talking or threatening with SS don't you?

CurryWorst · 21/12/2017 17:25

I said I would call SS if I knew of a parent taking a child to a spiritualist church instead of to a doctor, when they clearly needed medical attention.

If you have a problem with that, I'm afraid you are the one with the problem. Any normal sane person would do the same as I would, I believe.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 21/12/2017 17:26

Come late to this. I hope the Op is getting the support she needs whether that is to be able to successfully parent her children or to deal with Children’s services.

But I do want to say that there are very few things I am sure of on Mumsnet. But one of those things is that Spero definitely is a family law expert. Firstly because her advice is always always absolutely spot on. Secondly because she has set up a webpage advising people for if you do have Children’s Services involved. Thirdly because she has been outed using her real name in the Daily Mail. It is pretty easy from that to check her qualifications. If she is a fake then she is the most clever, brilliant , intricate fake imaginable as everything in her “back story” is perfect. I guess she could be an MI5 agent but that is the only real possibility.

Spero did indeed say that Children’s services are looking more at removal than support at the moment. (Well to be exact she said that a year ago.) To be exact what she said is that ther is a constant pendulum that swings between the two which moves more towards removal when there is a horrific “child left to be murdered by their parents” case.

She has also said time and time and time again that Chikdren’s services are not the child catcher and they do their best in very difficult situations and, in her opinion, generally get it right nearly all the time.

Killerfairy · 21/12/2017 17:30

Do you have SS on quick dial curry?

Toddlerteaplease · 21/12/2017 17:31

Yes they can. And if you try and leave the unit with him, they will almost certainly call the police.

Killerfairy · 21/12/2017 17:32

I think you actually have super natural psychic powers as you know all the missing answers with such conviction ! Grin

CurryWorst · 21/12/2017 17:32

Why would I? I haven't any cause to call them.

Are you saying you would not help a child that was being denied medical treatment and instead being sent to a church? And you feel comfortable somehow attacking me for caring about children?

What an odd position to have painted yourself in. SW are evil, kids don't matter, only parents. You are free to have that opinion, of course, but I think you'll find few share it.
and it lowers your credibilty still further.

Toddlerteaplease · 21/12/2017 17:33

Beds are short. They won't be wanting your son to be blocking one, unless absolutely necessary. They must have very good reason for delaying discharge of a medically fit baby. (Peadiatric nurse here)

Killerfairy · 21/12/2017 18:16

Well that wasn't really happening was it curry, your running away with it again.

Weird

CurryWorst · 21/12/2017 18:56

If you're going to break guidelines and drag stuff from other threads, do try to understand it first.

We get it, you're not interested in the welfare of children. Ok. Can you stop with your nonsense now please?

DeepanKrispanEven · 21/12/2017 18:59

Killerfairy, it's noticeable that you’re not answering Curry's question about reporting to SS if a parent takes a sick child to a spiritualist church instead of a doctor. Why is that?

PersianCatLady · 21/12/2017 19:15

What I don't understand on threads like this are that some people are saying that we should believe what the OP is saying by giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Thing is there are a lot if things that don't add up at all in this case and rather than address them the OP chooses to ignore anyone who questions her.

I would be more inclined to believe her account if she said things like "actually I left the meeting before the end as it was too upsetting and therefore I don't know the actual reasons that SS have given" or anything else that explains why this is happening.

I appreciate that other posters have had bad experiences with SS but some of them don't sound initially unfounded.

What sort of "off the cuff" remark would cause a GP to go to SS to start a CSA investigation? Eve if the GP was totally wrong, SS agreed with her that it needed investigating. If their worries turn out to be unfounded then I still think that it is sensible that they were investigated.

yippyyappy · 21/12/2017 19:35

It's not always about 'cock ups'. As I've previously said, I have a family member that is taking police action against ss. It can really be that bad.

Desmondo2016 · 21/12/2017 21:32

No-one has said the child IS at risk or should definitely not be allowed home ever. Just that there was highly likely to be a valid reason for the initial concern which, as of yet, for a multitude of reasons,has not been able to be satisfactorily resolved.

I'm not sure that bitter personal experience at the hands of social services makes you a valid and qualified debater on this subject tbh!

PersianCatLady · 21/12/2017 21:40

I have a family member that is taking police action against ss
Do you mean that your family member is suing social services for compensation through a solicitor??

PersianCatLady · 21/12/2017 21:41

Sorry posted too soon...

Or do you mean that the police are taking action against a particular social worker??

CurryWorst · 21/12/2017 22:40

What kind of police action can be taken against a service?

PersianCatLady · 21/12/2017 23:05

Currywurst
That is what I want to know too.

Bubbaleo · 22/12/2017 00:38

How goady the non-believers are. Sad!

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