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EllaDisenchanted · 08/10/2025 23:02

@stomachamelon @humdingerydoo @diamond82 @missconductUS @quantumbutterfly @comedycook @25milesfromhome @olderglaswegianlivingindevon @beretinparis @edithstourton @sharonellis @towerofsong @purplechrayne

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BeretInParis · 28/02/2026 13:32

‘Your Party’ will never get its act together. Thank goodness! 😅

SharonEllis · 28/02/2026 16:35

BeretInParis · 28/02/2026 13:32

‘Your Party’ will never get its act together. Thank goodness! 😅

You're probably right. The Greens have outplayed them. I expect they will have an impact in a handful of constituencies & that's it.

BeretInParis · 28/02/2026 16:47

I hope so @SharonEllis.

SharonEllis · 28/02/2026 16:52

Me too!

Turangalila · 28/02/2026 19:45

Have been thinking of those of you in Israel,@EllaDisenchanted and maybe others too?, hope everyone is safe.

MissConductUS · 03/03/2026 11:49

I just wanted to pop in and say that I'm praying for the safety of @EllaDisenchanted and anyone else in harm's way in the ME. And of course, for the brave Israeli and American military service personnel involved in the conflict.

If anyone has questions about the military side of what's happening, I'd be more than happy to try to answer them.

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/03/2026 15:23

@MissConductUS I have been hoping you are feeling well enough to help us understand what is happening.

MissConductUS · 03/03/2026 15:58

@SpuytenDuyvil, I'm doing quite well. It's been about nine weeks since the surgery, and my sternum is still sore, but other than that I feel good. I'm doing a cardiac rehab program at my local hospital and doing a lot of walking on my own. It has been a very hard winter here, which I will be happy to see the back of soon.

As far as understanding what is happening, one important thing is that the combination of the US military and the Israeli military is much larger than was the case in the 12 day war last year. For example, USAF heavy bombers are destroying the caves and underground shelters the Iranians use to store missiles:

https://www.twz.com/air/b-2-spirits-join-iran-air-war-pummel-underground-missile-caves

and USAF refueling aircraft are allowing the IAF to be far more effective in their assigned missions:

https://www.twz.com/air/israels-fighter-force-stands-to-be-far-more-effective-with-full-usaf-tanker-support-in-a-war-with-iran

There's already been a significant drop in the number of missile and drone launches from the Iranians compared to last year at the same point in the conflict.

The big difference between now and the 12-day war is that last year, the Iranians didn't see it as a threat to the continuation of the regime. They could lose the nuclear program and rebuild it later. Now they might not survive, and they know it. The fact that they are attacking other Gulf nations, even some with which they've had good relations, shows the level of desperation. They've set their own neighborhood on fire in the hope that it might help somehow. I think it's a terrible mistake. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain may start allowing the US to operate from their bases and give us access to their munitions reserves.

Munitions are potentially a limiting factor. At some point, the US will have to start drawing them from other areas, like the Pacific, and there's a limit to how far that can go.

Overall, I think Trump has done the right thing. The Iranians have waged war against the US for 47 years. I recall quite clearly their taking American diplomats hostage, the Kobar Towers attack, and the hundreds of US soldiers killed by Shia militias in Iraq, equipped, trained, and financed by Iran. They've been poking the tiger for decades, and now they're paying the price. And, of course, the many terrorist acts against Israel and Jews worldwide.

So that's my general overview. If anyone has specific questions, please post them, and I'll do my best to answer. By the way, twz.com is my go-to source for breaking military news, and most of it is understandable without a military background.

Shalom.

B-2 Spirits Join Iran Air War, Pummel Underground Missile Caves (Updated)

The arrival of the B-2s marks a change in the air campaign and will put certain target sets at greater risk as the operation expands.

https://www.twz.com/air/b-2-spirits-join-iran-air-war-pummel-underground-missile-caves

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/03/2026 17:08

Thank you, @MissConductUS. Thoughtful and helpful as always. And good to hear you are mending. Like you, my cousins who live in the NY/NJ area are ready for any sign of spring. I am thinking about all who are in the line of fire.

EdithStourton · 03/03/2026 17:46

Good to hear from you, @MissConductUS, and good that you are getting better after your OP - I have thought of you.

Is it likely that the US will have been stockpiling munitions for an attack against Iran, bearing in mind that there will be an understandable reluctance to pull too many out of the Pacific?

MissConductUS · 03/03/2026 19:26

You’re welcome, @SpuytenDuyvil , I’m glad you found it helpful. I’ve learned something new from the coverage of this conflict. I had no idea about the “Hiddem Imam” - the 10th century Muslim cleric who the Shia believe would appear to create a world of Islamic justice and supremacy. The Iranians thought that destroying the U.S. and Israel would somehow pull him out of hiding. No wonder they’re impossible to negotiate with.

@EdithStourton, as it’s obvious that this operation has been many months in the planning, the U.S. has been stockpiling munitions for it, I’m sure. The difficulty is that some of them were already in short supply and being made as quickly as possible, like air defense missiles.

The good news is that some completely new munitions are being used, like this one

https://www.twz.com/land/americas-new-prsm-ballistic-missile-just-made-its-combat-debut-in-iran-strikes

There should be plenty of these available. The navy is also deploying high powered microwave weapons to take down drones rather than using costly air defense weapons.

Edited to add that I appreciate all of your thoughts and prayers for my recovery. It’s good that Gd heard them from both my Christian and Jewish friends. 😉

America's New PrSM Ballistic Missile Just Made Its Combat Debut

PrSM can fly hundreds of miles further than its predecessor ATACMS, allowing for a far broader set of targets in Iran to be held at risk.

https://www.twz.com/land/americas-new-prsm-ballistic-missile-just-made-its-combat-debut-in-iran-strikes

ErroltheSwampDragon · 04/03/2026 08:46

Thank you @MissConductUS that's really helpful and I also hadn't realised some of the more extreme beliefs of the IRGC. Triggernometry and The Free Press have had some good coverage explaining why the IRGC are a different (and more dangerous enemy than countries like Russia and China, primarily because the IRGC don't necesarily see the end of the world and their own deaths as a negative). What are your views on the arming of the Kurdish separatists? I hope you recover fully soon. 💐

And to all those who posted/interacted on the now-deleted thread about the woman worried about her friend in Israel (but not enough to put aside her pro-palestinian views), thank you for your thoughtful words, messages of support, and pushing back against the hateful rhetoric. Its a shame mumsnet felt it appropriate to silence the discussion but I appreciated your efforts.

EllaDisenchanted · 04/03/2026 09:28

Nothing helpful to add militarily, @MissConductUS but after we went to war on Shabbat morning, I walked (half ran!) to my parents house and saw what I believe was a refueling plane and two fighter jets in the sky. The fighter jets we see training round here frequently or flying past, they are very high, very loud, and small and pointy (triangle ish), but the other was much larger, in the lead, and had long wings and kind of v on the tail.

Anyway, we said a prayer for their safety as they went past.

Purim was surprisingly normal in between the sirens! :) now we have to try and work and I’m assuming schools will be in contact about zoom school today. Help!

the little ones were up from the crack of dawn and we had a siren at around 6 am, so after I fell back to sleep, they got busy building a blanket fort on my son’s bed in the mamad, a table out of clics, and then eating through some of their leftover mishloach manot. I’m not sure whether to be thrilled at their creativity or worried about the amount of sugar they consumed 😆.

we were supposed to go to my grandmother further north for Shabbat, but she’s staying at my parents near us, and her city is being pounded by Iran and now Hezbollah as well, so I think we’re staying put.

some Israeli genius made a website to calculate risk for taking showers depending on your location, time since last alert, and other factors 😆 absolutely mental but useful and I am pleased to say I managed to shower. I’ve had a list of places I never wanted to be caught in a siren, and most of them unfortunately have happened (airport, roadside on Shabbat, car …) but the shower hasn’t happened yet.

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MissConductUS · 04/03/2026 20:04

@ErroltheSwampDragon, I know the U.S. is talking to the Kurds, and I think it’s a fine idea to support them. But I don’t see them marching into Tehran. I think they would like autonomy in their own area. Partitioning Iran might be part of a larger strategy.

@EllaDisenchanted, that was probably a USAF tanker aircraft you saw with some IAF fighter jets. It’s a long flight to Iran, so in air refueling is a big force multiplier. That’s a very impressive blanket fortress your son has constructed. I see a nice job for him in the IDF as a combat engineer. 👷

stomachamelon · 17/03/2026 22:47

@MissConductUS I saw an interview a couple of days ago with a Kurdish minister and he denies that. He said he was in contact with Iran and the Islamic republic. Unless it was propaganda neither it or he sounded very promising.

@EllaDisenchanted I shared that app with everyone I can. DS even said it was fairly reliable in her neck of the words which made me chuckle :)

MissConductUS · 18/03/2026 18:12

@stomachamelon, I would rather expect that he'd deny planning to take up arms against Iran. Only time will tell. If I were the Kurds, I'd want to wait until Israel and the U.S. had further degraded the IRGC before taking any action.

This is a bit off topic, but it's a fascinating look at how Israel is using intelligence from ordinary Iranians to prosecute the war against Iran's police state.

Israel Is Hunting Down Iranian Regime Members in Their Hideouts, One by One - The killings of top officials mark milestones in a fierce campaign to bring down the Tehran government

They're calling Iranian officials on their mobile phones and threatening them, in Farsi, if they shoot protestors. The Israelis are really at the top of their game in this type of warfare.

BeretInParis · 19/03/2026 06:32

I love this. Can’t imagine other countries doing something similar. Israeli ingenuity and might!

gingergran · 19/03/2026 13:05

Israel has a reputation as a start up nation and at the moment there have been a whole range of new apps including whether there will be enough time to have a shower before the next siren sounds and a QR code outside municipal bomb shelters to be scanned to see which other single people are in the shelter!

its a weird time to be here

Humdingerydoo · 29/03/2026 12:18

Don't forget to order your copies so you can also get a chance to go on the space laser!

Hope everyone is doing well - my kids have two weeks off school now and I have already heard "I'm so boooooored" at least 50 times all before lunch. So things are going exactly as expected 😏

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Pastelpoppy · 29/03/2026 16:10

Humdingerydoo · 29/03/2026 12:18

Don't forget to order your copies so you can also get a chance to go on the space laser!

Hope everyone is doing well - my kids have two weeks off school now and I have already heard "I'm so boooooored" at least 50 times all before lunch. So things are going exactly as expected 😏

Thank you @Humdingerydoo I’ve been waiting for my space laser code. Surely you’ll be able to control the weather for the next two weeks to ensure your kids enjoy the outdoors.

Humdingerydoo · 29/03/2026 19:12

Pastelpoppy · 29/03/2026 16:10

Thank you @Humdingerydoo I’ve been waiting for my space laser code. Surely you’ll be able to control the weather for the next two weeks to ensure your kids enjoy the outdoors.

Oh yeah, that's true!! I hadn't thought of that. So you'll all know when it's my turn on the laser - if you see the sun, it's thanks to me!

SpuytenDuyvil · 29/03/2026 19:41

@Humdingerydoo 🤣

Humdingerydoo · 01/04/2026 10:36

I'm not generally a fan of Kemi Badenoch, but did anyone else read her post on Facebook? I can't link to it as then my name will be visible to the masses, so I've just copied and posted it here.

"Why is this year different from all other years?

Because in other years we haven’t seen Jews murdered in a synagogue here in the UK. Because in other years we haven’t seen Hatzola ambulances torched in the middle of Golders Green. And because in no other year have I met so many Jews asking me whether it’s safe for them to stay in the UK.

This year I can’t write the usual sort of Passover message. I am tired of reading platitudes and warm words, expressions of solidarity which ring hollow when we can all see what is happening around us.

I did not learn about Passover from reading the Haggadah or even in church, but from watching The Ten Commandments over and over again. Even as a young child in Nigeria, growing up in a Christian home, the story of liberation from slavery in ancient Egypt – a journey from oppression to freedom, from exile to homeland – was singularly inspiring.

It was only as an adult that I learned the deepest message of Passover: that for Jews, gaining freedom is not a one-off historical event, but is something which Jews have to fight for and guard in every generation.

An acquaintance said recently: “As a black person in the UK, I’ve never experienced the level of racism or intimidation which Jews are facing now. People wouldn’t delve into conspiracy theories about an attack on black people”. This is exactly how I feel.

Too many Jews have lost freedoms in the past year. The freedom to walk the streets of London on a Saturday afternoon. The freedom to go to university wearing a Magen David. The freedom to go to school without security guards, to pray in a building which doesn’t look like a fortress – the freedom to do the sorts of things that all of us should be able to enjoy in a free and democratic country.

The Haggadah also teaches what I know many Jews regard as an eternal truth: “In every generation they rise up against us to destroy us, but the Holy One, blessed be he, saves us from their hands.”

We have seen over the past year how the first part of this teaching is undeniably true. As to the second part – well, we shouldn’t be leaving all of this work to the Almighty or even, as some hope, the government.

To solve a problem requires facing some hard truths. As a Conservative, I have always believed that more government is not the answer to every problem, although it might be part of the solution. But what is government, if not individual politicians and civil servants? As Faith Minister five years ago, what I saw in Whitehall was a significant degree of cultural and religious illiteracy, combined with a reluctance to speak plainly, and a hesitancy to tackle difficult issues for fear of attack, opprobrium, or difficult constituents. Too many politicians are too scared to act without strong leadership. That is the leadership I will provide.

This is a war of attrition fought not only with violence, but with words, insinuation and sustained hostility. We cannot only confront attacks on worshippers at Heaton Park or on ambulances at Hatzola; we must protest sporting boycotts against Maccabi Tel Aviv and vandalism at Gail’s bakery.

Relentless attacks, bizarre articles published by newspapers like the Guardian, the normalisation of rhetoric that would once have been unthinkable. The aim is clear and determined: to erode the moral legitimacy of Jews, leave you less secure, and at the same time give confidence to those who would see Jews diminished or destroyed.

We have allowed the poison of antisemitism to spread for too long, because too many politicians have been too weak or too cowardly to even say what they see, let alone confront it. That must end.

I’ve been very consistent about what I am for and what I am against. Back in 2016, as a London Assembly member, I asked Sadiq Khan why antisemitic flags were being flown at the notorious Al-Quds march.

As Business and Trade Secretary, my department was stormed by hateful mobs protesting my ongoing trade talks with the world’s only Jewish state. They disagreed with my statement in parliament that people in this country use their views on Israel as a cover to display antisemitism at protests on our streets.

Years later, I now lead the Conservative party – and I know where we went wrong. Politics abhors a vacuum and while the party was firmly behind the Jewish community after the October 7 massacre, there was a feebleness when it came to action. Too many were inexperienced and unclear about how to tackle the situation, while others simply did not believe what their eyes were showing them. We placed too much faith in the belief that tolerance, in and of itself, would fix things. That good people would rally round and squeeze out the bad. They did not.

Let me tell you what a Conservative government under my leadership would do. There needs to be a fundamental shift in Britain. We have a radicalisation problem. Currently, we are fighting Labour’s dangerous approach to defining Islamophobia in a way that risks shutting down legitimate discussion about extremism.

We cannot continue to allow hate preachers to operate with impunity. We will have a zero-tolerance approach to extremism of all kinds including Islamism and the influence of groups like the Muslim Brotherhood in Britain.

We will revoke visas for those who come here and peddle antisemitic hatred and we will bar those who seek to bring it into our country in the first place.

And we will ban the kind of marches we have seen on our streets, where people call to “globalise the intifada”, incite violence against Jews and glorify terrorism. Those who celebrate the massacre of Jews should be removed from public life.

Antisemitism is not just an attack on Jewish people. It is an attack on the kind of country we are. Let’s call it what it is – Jew hatred. Let’s stop using softer words for what is happening. But this will not be enough.

There are things government can and must do. But it will never be enough on its own. This is no mere political fight.
It is existential. It’s about whether people can live freely and safely as Jews in this country. And that means it requires courage. What is required is a fundamental shift; tackling the moral and political vacuum that has been filled by a hatred of Jews.

Other minority communities have succeeded through hard-fought struggle and a dogged refusal to accept mistreatment. They made it clear that they would not be ignored, dismissed, or pushed aside.

I am not calling for violence. Quite the opposite. There is a silent majority in this country that supports Jews. I am certain of that. But the problem with the silent majority is that silence is not strength.

Jews in Britain have responded to hostility with restraint and dignity. Those are virtues. But sometimes the answer is not quiet endurance but noisy and active defiance. It’s time for change when it comes to Jew hatred.

Do not accept it. Do not normalise it. Stand up for your rights, your identity, and your place in this country in every way you can. Be visible. Be vocal. Use every lawful means at your disposal: your networks, your institutions, your voices. Challenge those who spread hatred. Pursue those who break the law. Know that you have our support, and you are not alone.

Yes, there will be pushback. I’m afraid that is the price of standing firm. Do not pack up your suitcases and leave. Israel cannot be the only sanctuary for Jews. This is your home.

What I can promise you is this: as a party leader, I will do my bit. I will lead from the front, as I always have. I will do my bit to fight against two-tier policing, double standards, sectarian hate, and to make it clear that there is a cost to antisemitism. But Conservatives cannot do this alone. This has to be above politics.

Earlier this month, I gave a speech against separatism and launched a wide-ranging commission on culture and integration. We need one shared identity everyone can buy into – being British. British Jews have shown how it can be done.

Passover reminds us that freedom is never guaranteed. It must be defended, generation after generation. If we fail to confront this now, if we allow the radicalisation, the hatred, the intimidation to continue, then we risk losing the decent and great Britain we grew up with.

The answer to hatred is confidence and resilience. Success is the best response. We can and will defend these values and we will defeat the scourge of antisemitism.

I wish Jewish people in Britain and around the world a peaceful and meaningful festival."

EdithStourton · 01/04/2026 10:58

I read it and was impressed.
But a) would she do it if in power and b) what odds does she have of getting to No10?

Humdingerydoo · 01/04/2026 11:13

EdithStourton · 01/04/2026 10:58

I read it and was impressed.
But a) would she do it if in power and b) what odds does she have of getting to No10?

She's a politician so I don't trust that she'd do any of it. But at least it's a strong show of support and understanding! I have found the lack of understanding from others really difficult to deal with, so it's nice when someone seems to get it - even if it is just all talk.

I hope everyone has a lovely Pesach or Easter, whatever you celebrate. Enjoy family time!