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Antisemitism

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bubbleandsqueak1976 · 25/03/2024 19:22

I read the posts on here with interest and often the subject of anti semitism comes up. I was brought up in a town in the South East. My mum gave me a book about Anne Frank when I was around 8 and I can remember asking ' what is a Jew?' as I had never met one. When I was about 14 a girl from northern Israel came to my school and I was asked to befriend her and help her settle in. I can remember being fascinated about her life in a Kibbutz and she used to show me
Hebrew writing. I don't recall ever hearing anything anti semitic about her or her brother as the only two Jewish kids - to my knowledge in the school. I also remember in my twenties encountering a group of lads from North London - white something and them having an absolute hatred for Jewish people. I can remember feeling utterly shocked as I'd never heard anti Jewish speak prior to this. Reading some of the recent posts on here it has made me wonder wherever there are pockets in the Uk with Jewish communities that experience antisemitism where the rest of the UK it does not occur as people simply have never met a Jewish person just their life- to their knowledge.Where I live I have only met 4 Jewish people in the Uk in my life and I am 47. The most Jewish people I have met were in Israel when I visited in 2000.

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Towerofsong · 03/07/2024 19:09

Humdingerydoo · 01/07/2024 18:34

So utterly depressing

It's awful

I'm particularly struggling with it all today.

Feels like it's getting worse and worse

EllaDisenchanted · 03/07/2024 19:18

Towerofsong · 03/07/2024 19:09

It's awful

I'm particularly struggling with it all today.

Feels like it's getting worse and worse

🫂🫂🫂

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 11:53

Hélène79 · 07/07/2024 10:06

France feels so toxic just now. Scary for the Jewish community and all ethnic minorities really. French Jews on the left are having to make similar decisions we had to in 2019.

This is a short piece, but interesting.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/intimacy/article/2024/07/06/french-elections-as-jews-we-feel-insecure-on-all-sides-as-voters-we-need-to-decide-where-the-greatest-danger-lies_6676856_310.html

I could only read the first half but France has felt toxic for a long time.

Hélène79 · 07/07/2024 11:59

This is the whole piece

"How can the French have such bad memory? We know that the Rassemblement National [RN, far right] has been on the rise for a long time. Seeing it so represented in the elections wasn't a surprise, but the reality is monstrous. I'm worried.

I'm Jewish, born in Algeria. When I arrived in France at the age of 4, there were riots in Paris. In medical school, I knew about the GUD [Groupe Union Défense, a far-right student group created in the 1970s] raids in the lecture halls. In 2000, my medical license was smashed, and swastikas had been carved into the elevator of the building where we lived. My children were attacked because they were Jewish. In the dispensary where I worked, in the Sentier neighborhood [in central Paris], I treated concentration camp survivors, foreigners of all nationalities and men and women in transition.

This hatred is poised to affect every French person, with the primary target being those who are not considered white. How can we forget that the RN includes in its ranks descendants of prominent Vichy families and a Pétainist ideology? Behind the RN's Islamophobic rhetoric lies anti-migrant, anti-LGBT, anti-Semitic, anti-woman, anti-everyone rhetoric.

In this chaos, some people are saying to themselves that 'the daughter isn't the father' and that we must try what hasn't been tried, apropos of the RN. But once they've tried, I tell myself it'll be too late. The far right has nothing to do with democracy! At the moment, my patients, of all faiths, are talking to me a lot, and the consultations are long. I understand the deep disappointment, the malaise, the multiple betrayals expressed, the loneliness, the disarray, the grief. I treat Muslims who are also revolted, worried and lost. Why is it that a citizen always has to think about protecting themselves when a state is supposed to be there to protect them and ensure a better life?

'TV news bias'
After October 7, I was traumatized for months. I told myself that I had to get out of that state to be able to think again. It took a lot of effort. The distress and emotion following these events are never-ending.

Some representatives of LFI [La France Insoumise, radical left] overflowed with hate speech. The lack of empathy was immediate. Concern for the human beings taken hostage was not shared. Among other things, these remarks confuse the far-right Israeli government with the Israeli population. Yet I hear that many Jews are more than shaken by what is happening in Gaza right now. Daily demonstrations against [Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu] and for the release of the hostages are taking place in Tel Aviv. I have the impression that very few media outlets are covering them. In general, I think people forget that a lot of television media are in the hands of biased groups. When I hear some people think that CNews [France's equivalent of Fox News] is the only media organization that is pro-Israel... I think that's naive.

As Jews, we feel insecure on all sides. There is an extremely violent dialectic that stirs up hatred. As voters, we have to decide where the greatest danger lies. But isn't our duty to vote for a better life, with equal rights and respect? I have the feeling that we are objects for many politicians, in the midst of their hatred, their madness for power, their cynicism, and that we don't exist. This vote is making us sick. I'm hearing from left-wing Jews who won't be voting for the Nouveau Front Populaire [left-wing alliance] because of what the LFI representatives are saying. Mélenchon seems intent on parasitizing people's minds and weakening the left's opposition to a fascist government.

I'm afraid for the future, for my children and grandchildren, and for all of us. But I'm a fighter, I'm not downhearted. You can engage in individual resistance, and that's what I'm choosing to do. I talk, I listen, I try to preserve what is precious: solidarity, respect for others, the will to live, humanity. Caring for others in my job helps me a lot. However, individual resistance is not enough."

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 12:05

Thanks @Hélène79

Lucas Gage. Taking that little step from anti-zionism to antisemitism...
https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1809237529486385238

Followed by "death to Jewish Supremacy. Free Palestine, and free the world"
https://vinnews.com/2024/07/06/violent-incident-lucas-gage-threatens-jewish-community-while-brandishing-knife/

x.com

https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1809237529486385238

Hélène79 · 07/07/2024 12:12

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 12:05

Thanks @Hélène79

Lucas Gage. Taking that little step from anti-zionism to antisemitism...
https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1809237529486385238

Followed by "death to Jewish Supremacy. Free Palestine, and free the world"
https://vinnews.com/2024/07/06/violent-incident-lucas-gage-threatens-jewish-community-while-brandishing-knife/

Oh FFS, that's horrendous.

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 12:14

I've just gone on his X profile 😱

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Hélène79 · 07/07/2024 12:42

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 12:14

I've just gone on his X profile 😱

I made that mistake too.

And guess what media channel platforms him

https://x.com/adammaanit/status/1736838555035414587

x.com

https://x.com/adammaanit/status/1736838555035414587

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 13:04

I reported this post to X, but I have no faith X will do the right thing.

10k people liked this post.

Sickening.

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Hélène79 · 07/07/2024 13:18

Mad to think there was actually a time pre Elon when he would have been instantly banned from the site.

It's not the Lucas guy himself that particularly bothers me, but that his views are being platformed as acceptable free speech and encouraging others out the woodwork, whether they be right, left, Islamist or whoever. People like him are no longer lone wolves, they're grouping and strengthening in numbers. And we're expected to keep quiet about it because 'but Gaza'.

Comedycook · 07/07/2024 13:54

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 13:04

I reported this post to X, but I have no faith X will do the right thing.

10k people liked this post.

Sickening.

This is sick...how can people be so vile?

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 15:47

Comedycook · 07/07/2024 13:54

This is sick...how can people be so vile?

The posts are bad enough, but the volume of likes makes me sick to my stomach.

EllaDisenchanted · 07/07/2024 15:48

Hélène79 · 07/07/2024 13:18

Mad to think there was actually a time pre Elon when he would have been instantly banned from the site.

It's not the Lucas guy himself that particularly bothers me, but that his views are being platformed as acceptable free speech and encouraging others out the woodwork, whether they be right, left, Islamist or whoever. People like him are no longer lone wolves, they're grouping and strengthening in numbers. And we're expected to keep quiet about it because 'but Gaza'.

it's so so so blatant, they are not even trying to hide.

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And it's coming from people who have always seemed so much like me and whose values have always aligned with mine.

Yup, there's absolutely no doubt in mind it's principally coming from the left now, that's what I struggle with. Sorry you're feeling so anxious. I think a lot of us are feeling like that, you're not alone.

Humdingerydoo · 10/07/2024 19:49

Does anyone know how defacing a statue of Anne Frank is going to help people in Gaza?

Comedycook · 10/07/2024 20:05

Humdingerydoo · 10/07/2024 19:49

Does anyone know how defacing a statue of Anne Frank is going to help people in Gaza?

So sick.

EllaDisenchanted · 10/07/2024 20:20

Humdingerydoo · 10/07/2024 19:49

Does anyone know how defacing a statue of Anne Frank is going to help people in Gaza?

About as much help as denying the atrocities of the holocaust.

Candace Owens has been throwing doubt on the medical experimentation that went on in the concentration camps, and downplaying the evil of Hitler (yemach shemo).

https://nypost.com/2024/07/10/media/candace-owens-calls-mengeles-holocaust-experiments-bizarre-propaganda-in-latest-antisemitic-scandal/

Controversial podcaster Candace Owens sparked fresh accusations of antisemitism after calling the gruesome medical experiments performed during the Holocaust by notorious Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele “bizarre propaganda.”…“The Nazis experimented on innocent people,” Owens began. “Some of the stories, by the way, sound completely absurd.”

“They just cut a human up and sewed them back together?” she wondered. “Why would you do that?”Owens went on to say that “literally, even if you’re the most evil person in the world, that’s tremendous waste of time and supplies.”

“That just sounds like bizarre propaganda,” she concluded.

the Nazis literally documented everything, photographs and all. The twin experiments, the sterilisations, the blood experiments.

I am just bewildered by the extent of the hate. How did we get here so soon after the holocaust? The stuff on twitter - Lucas Gage is the tip of an extremely dark iceberg - they aren’t even putting it behind a mask anymore. They’re just straight up owning it. And the volume of likes they get is obscene.

They are getting louder and bolder. It’s utterly utterly heartbreaking to see.

“In spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart. I simply can’t build up my hopes on a foundation consisting of confusion, misery, and death. I see the world gradually being turned into a wilderness, I hear the ever approaching thunder, which will destroy us too, I can feel the sufferings of millions and yet, if I look up into the heavens, I think that it will all come right, that this cruelty too will end, and that peace and tranquility will return again.” (Anne Frank)
hard words to hold on to right now

Candace Owens calls Mengele’s Holocaust experiments ‘bizarre propaganda’ in latest antisemitic scandal

A viral clip that was circulating on social media showed Owens discussing the issue on her podcast on Tuesday.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/10/media/candace-owens-calls-mengeles-holocaust-experiments-bizarre-propaganda-in-latest-antisemitic-scandal

noblegiraffe · 10/07/2024 20:31

Candace Owens also seriously thinks that Brigitte Macron is a man.

Humdingerydoo · 10/07/2024 20:40

Candace Owens has always been a fucking idiot.
She'll say anything as long as it's controversial. She's revolting.

EllaDisenchanted · 10/07/2024 20:41

noblegiraffe · 10/07/2024 20:31

Candace Owens also seriously thinks that Brigitte Macron is a man.

She has 5.2 million followers.

EllaDisenchanted · 10/07/2024 20:46

Humdingerydoo · 10/07/2024 20:40

Candace Owens has always been a fucking idiot.
She'll say anything as long as it's controversial. She's revolting.

I don't disagree, but I still feel like I am watching a slow motion car crash. It doesn't matter if they are idiots. They have huge audiences, and every time they spread these lies, the world gets a bit more unsafe for Jews.

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/daniel-lieberman-rabbi-hits-out-at-anti-semitic-attacks-after-12yo-son-told-heil-hitler-c-14646882 (He has the full article on his facebook). I've known that kid since he was born 🙁

A Perth rabbi is speaking out about the growing ‘virus’ of anti-Semitism in Perth after his 12-year-old son was abused by rival soccer players at the end of a weekend match, telling him ‘Heil Hitler’.

Rabbi’s chilling warning after 12yo son told: ‘Heil Hitler’

A rabbi has spoken out about the growing ‘virus’ of anti-Semitism in Perth after his 12-year-old son was abused by rival soccer players at the end of a weekend match, telling him ‘Heil Hitler’.

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/daniel-lieberman-rabbi-hits-out-at-anti-semitic-attacks-after-12yo-son-told-heil-hitler-c-14646882

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