Mumsnet could do better (part deux)

[stomachameleon]

Ok I have taken the bait because I think it's important we have somewhere to chat and decompress.

There is an awful lot of name changing going on and we must remember that although it should be, this is not a safe space. We are followed here and that is worth considering (especially if you don't want to be deleted)

I am grateful for all the love and support though and I thank each and every one of you. You are all stronger than you know. I wish I had something profound to say but I don't...: this will have to do!

Hi everybody.

I have kept away from the boards for a while as all my posts get deleted for virtually no reason.

Happy New Year and am yisrael chai.

Love Jupe.



Try again.....:)

I have been meaning to ask the others here if you were on a ban or done a name change. Noticed a few days ago I had not seen you on threads

Afraid mumsnet isn't very good about people just saying what they think if someone else is being a fuckwit. You seem to be a little more direct about what you think than some of us that are holding back a little. So mumsnet are probably deleting some of you posts because of that.

Anyway nice to have you back

This is a good idea

I will post it here incase anyone needs or knows anyone that might need it

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/free-mental-health-service-launched-to-help-people-cope-with-the-ongoing-war/

@Dilbertian Appreciate what you're saying but I suppose one person's 'dwelling on haters' is another person's 'much needed support on a forum that has antisemitism seeping through its threads'.

Absolutely. Which is why I did not go onto that thread, because at that time all I would have been able to contribute would have been...unhelpful.

But I also need to be able to talk about things and listen to views which are not hateful, and the way this thread started with positivity and inspiration makes me less fearful of engaging with it.

I am wondering if we need two threads. One that is about reasurring people that they are not alone on mumsnet

And one to comment on the iffyness coming from the conflict board and to reassure everyone that they are not alone in finding it frustrating. Plus chatting about that

Dilbertian is it this separation that would make you feel better or am I not understanding what you are saying

There are not many of us so maybe just a little bolt whole thread for some of us to roll our eyes at things threads/posters or give a quick heads up to others could happen too

If it is you just not feeling like you have anything useful to say about what we have talked about then I can tell you most the time I think like that myself. Actually if you want post inspirational quotes or anything else to raise spirits that is very useful. Even just the odd not much to say on this conversation but want to say I am still here and........

Maybe you are saying something different but I would like to understand if you don't mind explaining. Then maybe we can make an adjustment so everyone is comfortable posting. We do all need support at this time.

TBH I'm not really sure myself. A bit of everything you say, I suppose.

But, please, don't change the thread on my behalf. Let it evolve naturally, as threads do. I can always start a new thread.

Just seems a shame for you to have to do that and if you feel this way I can imagine some other people will too

Anyway yes we can just see how the thread evolves. Mumsnet is a little quiet at the moment in most places including that board. A lot of people still have kids off school and some are trying to cut down on mumsnet time/phone time in the new year probably. This means things are less crazy in general but I think a lot of people are a bit more peace and love at the moment too. So this thread may well end up very different from the last as a reflection of that board not being as iffy.

"A lot of people still have kids off school"

My thoughts and prayers are with these poor souls 😳 Stay strong! You can do it!

😂

Why is the question always always what is Israeli (sub in Jewish as well) people's opinion on the experience of Palestinian's in Gaza... etc etc, and not what is the Israeli (Jewish) experience of living under constant fear of terror/rocket attack/ going through the trauma of oct 7th? I'll admit I am not objective, and haven't reread the full Israeli AMA, so maybe I am not being fair and it was asked first, but I am so frustrated. It feels like that 'good Jew/bad Jew' thing, where we cannot centre our own pain.

Also @Humdingerydoo I'll join you in sending thoughts and prayers to UK Jewish parents ... from a safe distance ... I can tell you here we have holidays over Chanuka, so it's been school as normal for my kids, and we also don't have half term holidays😁(You can all get smug right back at me in June/July when my kids break up for the summer obscenely early and I'm crying into my coffee).

Well Naomi Wimborne Idrissi is speaking at my local community centre this week with some others. Is she still expelled by the Labour Party?

@stomachameleon Yes - JVL!

Talking of JVL and therefore Cor**n by association, has our resident annual-hoarding giraffe checked in for duty on this thread yet? These JC pinups aren't going to flog themselves.

@noblegiraffe

@etmoiandme so really ' Jewish voice for Labour' is somewhat misleading?

Hello - thanks for starting this thread! I'm just dropping by to say hi (with a slight nc) I really appreciated the previous one - both the fact that it was there and its welcoming nature. I liked the way it evolved from a place to rant to a place for a nice chat and back again. I'm getting better at sticking to my word and avoiding the ME threads altogether. They're a cesspit and I think reasonable posters can see them.for what they are.

Solidarity to all xx

It's because people genuinely don't care about what Israelis feel. It's absolutely awful. I know people talk a lot about the dehumanisation of Palestinians on the other board but they don't even realise how far the dehumanisation of Israelis has gone. It's so bad that an unknown amount of Israelis get tortured/raped/murdered/kidnapped and within 24 hours there are demonstrations against Israel. It's honestly sickening.

I have a question for you! How do you make it work with childcare over summer holidays? I have a sibling in Israel with nursery aged children so they all go to nursery for most of it, but nurseries close in August... So far, every single year my parents have had to fly out there to help with child care (even during COVID!) throughout August. Is that the norm? And what do you do once the kids start school?

I could ask on the AMA but it's turned rather negative on there now so not sure if the OP will bother coming back. I know I wouldn't in her position! But then again, I have a very, very low tolerance level for absolute fuckwittery 🙈

Research shows people who post are very unlikely to change their minds on any topic, even when presented with new evidence.

But those who lurk and read are the ones most likely to change their views.

You won't be changing the minds of anti-Israel posters, but you're more likely to give a lurker food for thought and they may change their view.

When you post, make sure it's never about the posters you're responding to, but the lurkers who quietly read. 👍

I've been off here for a while very deliberately.

Did the usual suspects point the finger at Israel regarding Iran?

Turns out it was ISIS.

It took about 37 secs for the first accusations to reach MN 😂

When this was reported in the news in the US, the reaction of knowledgeable national security sources was that this type of mass causality attack was trademark ISIS and not at all like the surgical strikes the US and Israel conduct—that and the fact that ISIS and the Iranians are bitter enemies.

So, of course, the accusations start flying against the US and Israel.

So far we have done two summers in Israel. The first summer was the one we made aliyah, so DH didn't have a job, and he just did aliya things, with the kids around, and I WFH, so I frequently left him do it.

This summer, my youngest was just 4, we did a whole mix of things: One of my children has ASD, so he is in a specialist autism class, and they run most of the way through the summer, which was hugely helpful. My oldest is independent, he sorted himself out, hung out with friends etc. The youngest two went to a mix of day camps, school/gan camp (keytana), and they were home a bit and I entertained them, and we came to the UK for a week and a half for a family simcha (DH took off 1 week in that time). I work extremely flexible hours, and between the two of us we somehow sort of managed.

If we hadn't gone to the UK it would have been a lot easier, as I would have put them in different day camps the whole summer. It's too hot to go out much, and my kids need structure very badly. It's expensive to do day camps, but given we paid more in one month in nursery fees in the UK than the whole year in Israel, it balances out.

Ironically, my kids here have greater freedom and independence than they had in the UK; they take the bus on their own to and from school from much younger, and there are playareas literally everywhere.

I noticed quite a lot of anglos went in the summer to visit family abroad. With wfh, people can stay with family and go for longer.