IVF / FET March/April 2022 Thread 2

[AliceAbsolum]

Shiny new thread as we filled up the last one.

@AliceAbsolum sorry to hear you’re having such a tough time. All the between scan waiting is just so hard. We had a scan before flying, confirmed intrauterine with a heartbeat but measuring 2-3 days smaller than our IVF dates. We ended up with loads of people in the room, the consensus was not to worry, at this stage it’s fractions of millimetres and to have a rescan in a week, but with so many people there and the initial concern it’s hard to be positive. Trying to arrange that rescan in a foreign country is… well. The best I’ve got so far is in just over 2 weeks from now, which just seems so far away. I’m exhausted, constipated, still chucking up 1-2 x day despite regular antiemetic and just desperately trying to stay positive and eat crackers!

Netflix have definitely earned their subscription this month. More tv than I’ve ever watched in my life! I had all sorts of visions of the healthy pregnancy I was going to have and how I would keep exercising - Ha! Today if I walk to and eat lunch that will be an achievement!

Oh man @AliceAbsolum I really feel for you. It is possible to both have genetic issues and recurrent pregnancy loss but what a devastating combo.
They CAN treat recurrent pregnancy loss however, once that is "diagnosed." You don't need to feel like it's game over until you really feel like you can't/don't want to do this anymore. They can give a sh--tonne of progesterone support, for example, or low dose prednisone therapy. There are options.
But let's not count out this pregnancy just yet! I understand it's hard to stay positive but I'm really keeping my hopes high for you x

@AliceAbsolum It's just so unfair and once you've bled, you are nervous every time you go to the bathroom and are just waiting for it to happen again and you can't enjoy being pregnant, it's all anxiety and fear.
I would invest in a time machine for sure.

Just a little rant, sorry to sound pessimistic, but I let myself get my hopes up the last few days after I got the 28,000 HCG result the day after my bleed/clot. I went 36 hours later for another beta that had already been scheduled and just got the result back today, 29,903. I know that it can take up to 96 hours to double, but that should have put me at 38,000. Maybe I'm wrong and HCG goes in surges and maybe if I tested today/tomorrow it will have doubled or maybe since it's a different lab their equipment reads differently. Maybe I'm wrong and we'll walk into the scan and see a little hb flickering away.

However, my gut says I will walk into my scan on Thursday and everything will be the same as 5w5d and it'll be a blighted ovum. I pray I'm wrong though.

I hope everyone who has scans coming up get a good result and all of the upcoming EC and ET going amazing.

@TommieNC I don’t know much about hcg so I don’t have any answers! Doesn’t it peak between 25,000 and 50,000? I really hope the slow down just means it’s reaching its peak. Good thing your scan is only a few days away- it will be so good to have answers!

Ah Ladies I really feel for you @AliceAbsolum I hope this pregnancy goes well but if not @SamTTC is right there are other options and you don't know the last MC was the 21 year olds egg- please don't lose hope I know it's difficult but I've been down the road of no hope and it's a really hard funk to get out of.
There is still hope for this pregnancy and future ones if you want them.

@TommieNC I have no idea about Beta but a quick google search shows lots of charts where it stops doubling and going up more slowly like yours- that's Dr google though. Hopefully someone can give you more insight?

@Nutrinerd being away and trying to navigate this must be a minefield. How was your flight?

@Yoga817 how are you feeling at ET?

@Suki2020 hope your doing ok?

I'm just over here wishing my life away waiting for 24th May for my follow up.
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@PMAmostofthetime flight was ok, worked fairly well with timings and managed to not need to inject on the flight, pessaries were enough fun in the tiny little cubicle trying not to drop them with a bit of turbulence and a queue of people outside wanting to have a wee when the seatbelt sign was being switched on!
Thinking of you and the countdown to clinic day. It’s getting there!

@TommieNC did they say anything about the numbers when they called with the results? I don't know much about numbers when they get that high other than it takes a lot longer to double.

@AliceAbsolum I really feel for you..I still have hope it's related to the other sac, are your clinic still able to give you advice? Could you get a progesterone reading maybe to see if a higher dose would help? I know some people can still have pregnancy symptoms post miscarriage but I'm really hoping that as you're still feeling nauseous/tired it's a good sign. Did you continue feeling nauseous last time? I know everyone is different but my symptoms suddenly stopped when I miscarried last time (mmc).

I've been pretty detached about my situation lately, although maybe that'll change as I get closer to scan day.

@SamTTC @Herewegoagain881 @PMAmostofthetime Since my clinic is in the Czech Republic, all of my blood tests were through the gp or private. However I will email my clinic this morning and see what they think and tell them I have a scan booked for Thursday.
I've read that after 6,000 it can take up to 96 hours to double. hopefully the 2nd blood test was right before a surge and it just hadn't had a chance to show up in my blood yet. I'm praying that's the case.

Question: are sore boobs and bits of nausea caused by the estrogen/progesterone or the HCG?

@Herewegoagain881 When is your next scan again?

Hi everyone I’ve been watching this thread and i was on the last months one too. I had two FET cycles cancelled as I wasn’t responding to the estrogen and my lining wasn’t getting thick enough. last month I had a natural FET but that failed BFN.

I’m on my second FET now 11dp5dt, I’m two days away from my OTD and so far I have resisted the urge to test. Im usually an early tester but I haven’t this cycle.

ive suddenly got the urge to test this morning and I don’t know what to do. My DH last night said but what if it’s a chemical then we should know that. Argh.

if I am pregnant and it is a chemical would I still get a faint positive in 2 days?

Hi @XjustagirlX I'm actually wondering this too, I think it would be useful information to catch a chemical honestly, but I don't know when it's too late to do so. 🤔share if you find out please!

@AliceAbsolum thinking of you, hope it goes well with the scan tomorrow ❤️

I hope everyone else is going well, sounds like some positive stories on here 😊

We're in the algarve for 3 nights, turned up to surprise the family on their family holiday! Then we arrive back on Thursday and get biopsy results on Friday...will hopefully then know how we can move forward and get an idea for when FET is looking likely!

@TommieNC I find the source of the whole nausea/sore boob thing confusing. It can be a side effect from progesterone but I'm wondering if those effects may subside over time as our body gets used to the progesterone, but then maybe rising HCG or other factors ramp up the nausea as the pregnancy progresses. I had nausea/sore boobs in my prior two pregnancies that came fairly early, but then went away only to come back later, so maybe initially it was progesterone then later it was HCG or something else. For this pregnancy I had nausea initially that went away at 4 weeks ish and I've had none since, even though they found a heartbeat and usually I'd be feeling nauseous by 6-7 weeks.

What confuses me is that nausea stops suddenly with some mmcs. Mine stopped as soon as I miscarried, but HCG would have still been high so to me it just seems there must be more to the nausea that HCG. Although I guess our bodies may be sensitive to a drop in hcg and immediately stop feeling nauseous even though HCG is still high. If you find anything out I'd be interested to know!

My scan is Friday afternoon, I've been having a constant dull achy feeling today. Not sure if it's cramps or trapped gas from progesterone!

@XjustagirlX I haven't had a cp but I would guess it would depend on how far the chemical pregnancy progressed as to how long you'd test positive for. I tested early (6 or 7 dpt) and it was stressful because my pregnancy strip lines weren't progressing, but I also wanted to know if it implanted or not as there were initial complications with my progesterone levels. It's so hard to know what to do, I think it's amazing you've held out to 11dpt!

@SamTTC @Herewegoagain881 i had a cp in 2020. I got a BFP on 14dpo and then af came heavy 2 days later. Hcg was around 200 on 22dpo and was still positive on home test at 29dpo.

so actually maybe I have answered my own question but I was just anxious that maybe it’s possible to have such a low hcg that it can’t be detected on OTD after a cp.

@SamTTC @Herewegoagain881 i had a cp in 2020. I got a BFP on 14dpo and then af came heavy 2 days later. Hcg was around 200 on 22dpo and was still positive on home test at 29dpo.

so actually maybe I have answered my own question but I was just anxious that maybe it’s possible to have such a low hcg that it can’t be detected on OTD after a cp.

@SamTTC @Herewegoagain881 i had a cp in 2020. I got a BFP on 14dpo and then af came heavy 2 days later. Hcg was around 200 on 22dpo and was still positive on home test at 29dpo.

so actually maybe I have answered my own question but I was just anxious that maybe it’s possible to have such a low hcg that it can’t be detected on OTD after a cp.

@SamTTC @Herewegoagain881 i had a cp in 2020. I got a BFP on 14dpo and then af came heavy 2 days later. Hcg was around 200 on 22dpo and was still positive on home test at 29dpo.

so actually maybe I have answered my own question but I was just anxious that maybe it’s possible to have such a low hcg that it can’t be detected on OTD after a cp.

@SamTTC @Herewegoagain881 i had a cp in 2020. I got a BFP on 14dpo and then af came heavy 2 days later. Hcg was around 200 on 22dpo and was still positive on home test at 29dpo.

so actually maybe I have answered my own question but I was just anxious that maybe it’s possible to have such a low hcg that it can’t be detected on OTD after a cp.

Hi all,

I've not posted on this thread for a while but have been trying to follow progress.

@AliceAbsolum sorry to hear that things have been so uncertain for you, IVF really is a mind *&^$. I hope you get more reassuring news very soon.

Who is left in the TWW? This is my first medicated FET and I was told not to test until 15dp5dt. I'm now day 12 and I've always tested at 11 days before so the delay is miserable.

I had one BFP before which turned into a chemical and had what I later realised were clear symptoms from day 9 - noticeable tiredness (falling asleep at the laptop level) and breast tenderness, which I'd not had with failed transfers. I'm feeling really despondent about the fact that this time I've not had either. Some stomach discomfort but nothing major/prolonged and probably just digestion. I've had some fatigue (not the extreme tiredness) but pretty sure that's down to disturbed sleep, which I had on BFN rounds too so must be the meds. I've also had a couple of days of feeling a bit foggy-headed, like the feeling after a hangover has faded but you still feel a bit off, but again that's likely sleep related. When I got the BFP I only used cyclogest and now I inject Lubion as well, so if anything I would expect to notice more things not less.

In that horrible position of trying to talk myself into being hopeful for a positive but holding onto hope gets harder each day because I keep thinking that if hCG was increasing I should be getting some noticeable symptoms. And I know that even if I think I'm not hopeful, a BFN will crush me as this is my 7th transfer and no success yet... No sign of AF or cramps yet but I don't usually bleed until meds stop anyway, though sometimes I've had cramps from about 9/10 days.

How is anyone else in the TWW feeling and when do you test? Mumsnet seems to be going nuts so hopefully this will post ok...

@lucymills1234 I’m in my TWW. I’ve got to wait until Thursday for my OTD. i have been pregnant 3 times before all early miscarriages/cp.

i get sore boobs with progesterone/ bfn and BFP. the same with feeling a bit tired but that’s not really a symptom for me. Feeling a bit nauseous happens with a bfp but not every day.

the main difference for me between bfp and bfn, is i don’t get a spot on my face if I’m pregnant, my skin looks so much better and I am in a happy mood.

@lucymills1234 goodness, you're doing well not to have tested yet! Well done! I think you're right to wait until the day you were told to by the clinic - just for the avoidance of any confusion and upset.

And I'm so sorry to hear how many transfers you've had to have - I can't even imagine how tough it's been for you.

I'm on day 7. 7 more to go. I've never been pregnant before so I figure there's no point in symptom spotting. All my symptoms can be explained by progesterone anyway. I've decided it probably hasn't worked and that seems to have calmed my mind down a bit! The worst part is that I'm so bloated I look about 6 months pregnant! FFS!

Also on TWW, same timeline as @Somatronic. I can only describe how I'm feeling as incredibly progesterone-y. Pretty much the same as all my previous TWWs, so I'm pretty neutral about it.

I'm 2DP5DT and sooo many symptoms. Sore boobs, crushing exhaustion, insomnia, crazy dreams, lack of appetite, dehydration .. I have another 9 days to go until OTD... not that I'm symptom spotting 😄. I'm sure it's the progesterone...

@Suki2020 how are you feeling today?

@unCliche are you ready for your EC tomorrow? Hope it goes well!

I wonder if anyone can help put my mind at rest. I'm 3DP5DT from a fresh cycle and my clinic seems very 'no frills' even though we are self funding and it's not cheap!

My lining was measured at egg collection and was 7.5mm, but they didn't measure it at all before transfer. I was just told they only measure at egg collection. How did they know it was thick enough on transfer day? It feels a little negligent to me. Any help would be appreciated