The mind numbing boredom of infertility IV

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Yes it's the return of the thread where we're so fucking bored of being infertile and talking about infertility and thinking about infertility and worrying and infertility and learning about infertility treatment and explaining infertility to other people and making up lies to cover up for going for infertility tests and treatment that we can't even be bothered to think of a better name for the thread.

Join us if you are barren, bored and bitter, or any combination of the above. We'll listen to your tails of woe when everyone you've ever met upduffs in an instant, accompany you through the trials of tests and treatment and commiserate the inevitable setbacks and disappointments.

Welcome to the ghetto.

When I can work out links, I'll post linnks to threads 1, 2 and 3

Exactly icy - thought it was just me felt like that re pregnancy threads. I am assuming viability scan will show nothing and it will all come to nothing. I just can't seem to shake off identifying myself as barren. I just need more time to pass.
Wish - welcome but sorry you've been through all this additional stress. The bureaucracy is pathetic. Stay in touch and hope you get off to a good start. I quite liked the ivf part - the sense of momentum after all the waiting.

Hey guys thank you so much for all your replies.

I know it wasn't necessarily intended to cheer me up Icy , but my wife and I giggled at your passionate swearing. It is so refreshing to heat people just say it as it is rather than phrases like "taking a break will do you good" or "how is the trying for a baby going " and when I reply "I am waiting for IVF" my mum just says "oh ok" and nothing more. By the way both comments and from mum in law and mothers lol

P.s. any tips for metformin? Was violently sick last night and really not tolerating it :(

Hello ladies and gents,

May I join? I recently had a failed IVF cycle about 2 months ago. Yes we only had 1 so far, but we've been ttc for about 6-7 years. It was stupid of us, keep thinking we have time and "leave it to nature". Now I'm almost 35! I wasn't kicking myself before IVF simply because I thought IVF would make it happen. I mean, they can't find anything wrong with either of us, so what's the worst that can happen, right? Just abit of assistance and whoosh, baby. Nope, so naive! I'm now feeling like I'm at the end of the road and don't know where, how to start picking things up. Depression is hitting and fuuuck, things are shit. I'm a do-er type so I need to do something about this but I just don't know what. Another IVF? Abroad? Do I want to spend that much money to fail again? Can I not just self-medicate? I just don't get it, why doesn't it happen if everything is perfect. I recently bought this device to measure my ovulation and it is confirmed with precision that I do in fact ovulate every month without fail, and DH has no issue either.

Sorry I just need to rant. I was in the forum for abit while the IVF was happening then it failed then I just didn't know where to turn to, so hopefully it's ok for me to join the thread

Hi ekam,
I remember you from another thread when we were going through first cycles. I am sorry you feel so shit - infertility is the all consuming pits. If I was in your shoes and if you can, I would get onto cycle number two. I was similar to you - ovulating normally all tests good dh all good just never bloody pregnant! Had failed cycle in August, had second cycle in oct\nov and got bfp in DEC! And I am 39 but over the two cycles it took 27 eggs to get 3 decent embryos so no wonder I wasn't getting preg naturally. At 34 you have a good statistical chance of it working second time. They may also make some changes based on cycle 1. In the mean time, offload as much as you can!

Fourpaws - you OK?

ekam> Sorry to hear about your failed cycle - if it's any consolation I found the two month mark after my failed cycle was a low point for me - never felt so depressed in my life - but after that I started to pick up (if we ignore the whole Xmas/NYE debacle :) )

AFM - had my hysteroscopy and small polyp has been removed so I'm waiting for my next period (hopefully within a few days) and then we can start the cycle. Scared to think that this will probably be our last shot but, hey, at least I got a free endo scratch with my hysteroscopy. (trying to look on the bright side, failing...) I'm a bit worried as I didn't realise we could cycle so soon and have been eating terribly for the last 3 months (have probably put on a stone since our last cycle).

Please tell me I'm not the only one who read the front of one of the tabloids today - 'Brit man - I'm 4 months pregnant!' and thought 'FFS!' :)

NB I didn't actually read any detail and I'm sure it's a heartwarming tale of a transgender man beating the odds, etc, but, well, it's not the type of headline you want to see when you are in our boat.

tammy, I didn't see it but I completely agree. it will be a lovely and slightly twisted tale, but seriously? it doesn't help us all :(

Tammy I didn't read the article but did wonder why the headline mentioned that he worked in Adsa

They're about to do a fertility special on This Morning as apparently January is 'baby making month' I've got a feeling it's going to irritate the hell out of me but don't seem to be able to turn over out of morbid curiosity.

Mr Fuzzy how are you getting on? Any news?

"Baby making month" - oh fuck the fuck off world!! Cunts

Hah Icy!

I was right... they started by talking to a lady who has been ttc for 9 years with pcos, then in the next breath moved onto some woman who had 4 boys and was 'desperate' for tips on how to conceive a girl. Get a bit of perspective dear.

oh dear the programme sounds like it was awful!

I started stimms yesterday for the first time ever. feeling some pain today.

scared of OHS :S actually I am stressed in general (excited) but stressed and worrying far too much about it all!

Baby making month?! Oh fuck off indeed! I would have had the rage watching that closephine. How are you doing otherwise?

Hi ekam, a failed IVF is a traumatic experience. It's hard and made more so by the fact that the pain is caused by the absence of something - no one can really see or understand it. Allow yourself a rant and some time to grieve. My main advice would be to get the ball rolling to start again - it can all take longer than you think and when you feel ready it might then be frustrating to wait for everything to line up. Have you got any further with your plan? I'm in the same boat - need to start again and find a new clinic after mmc at 11 weeks at the end of November.

Hope all is going ok wish.

Have you started your cycle now tammy?

How is everyone else?

I finally got a flashing smiley face on my ovulation detector today - very late at CD 18 so I was starting to lose hope! Relieved as it should hopefully mean my cycle is going back to normal post mc. I need to choose my new clinic and get the ball rolling on a new cycle. Had a really good talk with my acupuncturist, from her experience (20 years of fertility acupuncture!) she thinks my issue is an immune one. I have also thought this, but my previous clinic didn't treat for it. Starting to feel a bit more positive and a bit less sad, so I guess that's something.

This poster bought her mate glitter poo capsules... tablets to make actual glitter shit. She must be a secret barren
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Closephine I think September is already the most common birth month but still "Baby Making Month" should not be A Thing. I'm so glad I haven't come across that!

Fuzzy do let us know how you're getting on xx

Tiger immunes is definitely a possibility after rmc and there are plenty of clinics that treat it so hopefully your next clinic will do more to help.

Wishme good luck with the cycle, if OHSS is a worry make sure you're being monitored enough.

Icy real glitter shit?!

Hey to everyone else xx

More like 'get duink over Xmas/NYE and get accidentally knocked up so that the birth rate is higher in September' month.

Good news about ovulation tigerdog. I also suspect my issue may be immune related (I have have had a number of autoimmune related problems over the years and still have a minor one) but we'll never be able to afford all those tests and tbh the evidence is a bit sketchy (maybe I'm just saying that to convince myself that it's ok not to pursue). It does make logical sense (and we know that autoimmune problem can affect sperm so why not the female side?) but I guess we may be years from knowing for sure.

I'm just waiting to hear back from the clinic about my schedule - should start stabbing again by the end of the month.

Tiger which clinics are you thinking about?
I'm thinking of moving to care - helped by the fact my consultant is moving there.

Hi Blue & Closephine. Hi all! [waves]

Sorry I've been awol. Looks like I've got a lot of catching up to do.

Bean, I'm at Care. I've got nothing to compare it to, but so far they've been great.

Got the operation to remove the melanoma on 25th Jan. Hoping it's 'in situ' and that's the end of it.

Had my egg retrieval on Friday after 10 days of stims. If you recall I did hormone priming with HRT the month before to even out my follicles' response to stims. It's kind of worked:-

So, last time I had 11 follicles with one mammoth lead follicle. They retrieved 6 eggs, 3 mature, 2 fertilised, neither made it to blast.

This time the follicles were pretty even. 15 follicles, 15 eggs, 8 mature, 5 fertilised. So our drop-off percentages are the same as before, but we started with a much higher number. This morning we're down to 4, grades 1x1 / 1x1-2 / 2x2.

The consultant said that 15 is way above average for my age (5-6 at 42y) and also above the general average (8-12) so I'd say the HRT helped. Worth looking at if any of you are poor responders. I doubt 4 is enough for us to be successful so we're already planning our donor egg cycle, but it was worth a shot.

Good luck folks x

Glad things worked out better this time fuzzy. If your four are still going at day 5 and get to blastocyst then that sounds very good to me. Fingers crossed for you! I hope the melenoma removal goes well too, sorry that you have had this additional worry on top of everything else.

I have an appointment with Care in Birmingham next week bean and then I'm also having a Skype call with Gennet next Wednesday. I'm trying to gather all my notes together and get myself ready to start again.

We're just thinking about booking a blow out holiday for late Feb/early March and then to start treatment as soon as we get back.

I say go for it, tiger (the holiday in particular!)

Fingers crossed for you, fuzzy, hope they all make it to blast!

Hi all

MrFuzzy - sorry to hear it was indeed a melanoma :( everything crossed for you that it is in situ. Good luck with the op. Pleased to hear your cycle has gone better though, when will you find out if any have made it to blast?

Tiger - I second going for it with the holiday too. Is definitely say you deserve it after what you've been through lately.

Icy - yes I also saw that post and wondered if it was a fellow barren

As for me - definitely blue Monday over here... been up all night with what is either the norvovirus or food poisioning and then today have been summoned for jury duty... when? Yup you guessed it, when we should be away for treatment so now I'm looking at getting an exemption.

I've pinned all my hopes on an ironidiff miracle conception for this cycle and am already planning the house renovations I'd do if we saved on the IVF money. Someone knock some sense into me?!

Oh also worked out it's our 40th month of trying this month... Might tell DH he has to get me a present. i swear we deserve something (a baby perhaps?!) to acknowledge all this effort ladies?

closephine> how annoying about jury service, but you can definitely defer it for holidays so I'm sure it will be ok for medical treatment abroad too. But something you could do without right at this moment. 40th wedding anniversary is Ruby so definitely suggest something along those lines to your DH! :)

Hope you're feeling better close. That's rotten timing, I hope you manage to get out of the jury service. It's gutting isn't it to have to spend savings on IVF.

I think we will book a holiday in the next few days. I just need to check whether there are any restrictions on travelling to certain places - does anyone know? We are avoiding Zika areas but want to go to Southern India.

tammy, where are you up to?

It's been very quiet in here - lots of people MIA or pregnant. How is everyone getting on?