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TTC for 18 months or more. Moving onto iui/ivf/icsi.

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lucieloos · 11/08/2016 12:27

We have relocated from the conception board where we were previously chatting under the thread 'ttc for 10 months or more'. A lot of us are now long term ttc-ers and are going through infertility treatment or looking to take steps in this direction so we feel this might be a more suitable home for us!

Feel free to stop by and say hi and hopefully we can share the journey together and make it a little easier along the way!

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JustTrixie · 14/09/2016 12:39

Thanks ladies Smile We are thinking of moving next year so that is giving me a project, love checking out properties on right move (and pretending we have won the lottery so money isn't an option!)

I hope you are right Lucie, I am terrified of another BFN but hopefully if we have a double transfer in Nov/Dec and if necessary another in Jan/Feb one of them will stick! It is sweet that you want to protect your DH, there's no way I'd manage to keep it a secret.

Great news re the viability scan MPP, hope you are settling into your new house well.

Good luck for the morning Banana! Interesting re inositol, I have pco but not pcos apparently and wonder whether it is worth a try.

MrsRen · 14/09/2016 12:43

MPP - so glad you are settled in your new home for this exciting time! X

lucieloos · 14/09/2016 12:49

I'm sure you will trixie, keep doing the full immunes protocol if you can and then I'm sure it's down to a numbers game as you haven't had anything else identified as a problem. That's why I decided to do something every month from July to Xmas just to get the numbers up. Dh was great last time but as the hospital visits went on and on he started to find it harder and I kind of felt I needed to be the strong one and so I just wanted to make extra sure before getting all excited. I know anything can still happen but at least it's as definite as it can be for now. I bought a pack of digis earlier and they were sat staring at me and I couldn't resist doing one and got pregnant 1-2 so I'm happy for now.

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JustTrixie · 14/09/2016 13:51

That's great Lucie! Yes, we were hoping for more transfers this year but things have been a bit slow.
Sorry, crossed posts with lots of others before!
Sounds promising MrsRen - fx for you.

loopylou1984 · 14/09/2016 14:05

Yay Lucie!! Brilliant line :) ooh and a digi positive too!!!!

MPP congrats to you to on the heartbeat! Amazing moment :)

bananafish81 · 14/09/2016 17:00

Wowee amazing news on the heartbeat MPP and on the digi lucie. It's all go!!

trixie echoing lucie that it's a numbers game, and with those blasts and your immunes your number will come up soon! Totally with you on a fantasy right move spree . BTW if you're PCO but don't have the syndrome I don't think insulin resistance or sensitivity is likely to be an issue

lozza the amount of inositol you need for it to be effective is much greater than you get in pregnacare - I think it's 4g a day that's needed. I take two inofolic sachets a day, which gives me that. I'm not on metformin yet but we're not trying to get me to ovulate naturally - I've got a script ready that I have to fill if I do get pregnant however, as Dr wants me to take it to help reduce the miscarriage risk associated with PCOS. If it's BFN will ask about whether it's worth starting it at the normal dose (rather than the higher miscarriage dose) - if only because my PCOS acne has gone completely haywire!!

Mrs fingers crossed!!

Petrified about testing - we have done everything possible, and so if BFN it begs the question if we will ever be able to have a baby 😓 The plan would be if it's a BFN to go back to the hysto +IUD + oestrogen + pentoxifylline plan, to try and work on my lining for a few months before doing another transfer cycle. Possibly trying a tamoxifen cycle and seeing how that goes. Really, really hoping it doesn't come to that. But the plan would be to start the progynova and pentoxifylline on day 2 after I get my period, and we'd book the hysteroscopy in for a couple of weeks later. That's the plan for BFN. If it's BFP then we've already had the discussion about how we would preferentially try to manage another miscarriage - not an appealing prospect either, but I like to know what the next steps for different outcomes would potentially be.

Pikz · 14/09/2016 22:29

Luccccccccieeeeee amazing news Grin

Hope2409 · 14/09/2016 22:35

Congratulations Lucie and MPP thats great news!

Xxx

bananafish81 · 15/09/2016 04:33

Two FRER at 7dp5dt and BFN. Not even a squinter. 😓 Going to ask for a blood test so that I don't have to order more meds just so I can keep pissing on sticks over the weekend.

There's absolutely nothing there, so I'm pretty sure that we are out.

Maybe the Neupogen wash affected the receptivity? Maybe the prednisolone made me end up over suppressed? Maybe the immunes wasn't enough and I wasn't suppressed enough? Maybe DH and I are a DQ alpha match and I won't be able to carry a baby of ours? Maybe my lining just won't ever support a pregnancy?

I honestly can't see that we are ever going to have a baby. 😓

lucieloos · 15/09/2016 06:33

Oh banana I'm so so sorry. I'm gutted for you. Will you be able to get the bloods today? Could it just be too early? It could be none of those things you've said just because it's euploid it doesn't mean it will definitely work if everything else is right. I've read it could lack the energy / mitochondria. Don't give up you've done so well this time. You know you can get pregnant and hopefully now you've cracked the lining issue you will have success soon.

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loopylou1984 · 15/09/2016 06:49

Banana - I'm so sorry to read this. Did you get your bfp this early last time? Good idea on the bloods, then you'll know for sure. Flowers

MrsRen · 15/09/2016 07:37

Banana - really sorry it wasn't what you were hoping for. Fingers crossed its too early xxx

bananafish81 · 15/09/2016 07:54

Thanks ladies

I'd love it if it was too early but I'm not expecting it. DH said the consultant said, when I asked him if anyone ever waited till OTD to test (when still off my tits on sedation so only have hazy memories of the conversation), that it did happen that women could have BFN at 7-8 but BFP at 10-12. I would love to be proven wrong but I just feel in my gut that this isn't it.

BFN preferable to another miscarriage I think. Although if it implanted into crappy lining and no immunes, and hasn't even tried this time, it does feel like we've gone backwards.

We said if the cycle failed we would go back to the hysteroscopy and IUD plan. Being on contraception when my due date rolls around doesn't fill me with joy. But neither does another miscarriage.

Well at least an enforced break will give me time to get my career back on track. I've barely worked properly this year as I've been either pregnant / miscarrying or continually tapering off my pain meds in anticipation of a transfer that didn't come. And as I can't sit or be much good to anyone, as a freelancer / consultant, I kept having to turn down interesting projects because I didn't know if I was going to have to pull out if we actually got to transfer

At least I can throw myself into work as clearly project baby isn't exactly working out.

2016 has been an unadulterated clusterfuck and I would quite like the receipt back in all honesty. Xx

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star1980 · 15/09/2016 08:07

Banana, I'm so so sorry to read this. It is confusing, but doesn't mean you won't ever carry your baby. Please look after yourself and hopefully the bloods will give you a clear result. Flowers

star1980 · 15/09/2016 08:11

And I hear you on the work front... Except I'm not freelance so I've been turning up and achieving little. And working in academia as term starts, I really have to pull my finger out pretty sharpish! I just hope something (work, wedding, house) can finally break through to number one in my mind as everything is taking a back seat in favour of sitting and fretting about being perpetually childless and unpregnant - the biggest waste of brains and energy ever (in my book!)

maplebaby · 15/09/2016 08:46

Banana I'm so sorry Flowers still have my fingers crossed for a later bfp xxx

Brenna24 · 15/09/2016 08:51

Hugs Banana. I really hope that you are just a bit too early. Flowers

JustTrixie · 15/09/2016 09:49

I'm so sorry it wasn't good news this morning Banana Flowers definitely a good idea to get a blood test, I hate that having to think about ordering more meds has to be factored in.

Lozza398 · 15/09/2016 09:50

Still got fingers crossed for you banana - try to remain positive!

So last night I went back to slimming world (again!) and had a 4lb gain from my previous weight - BMI now 29. I wasn't too concerned about it as I'd had a busy social calendar for a change! I put on weight easily too! However the woman who weighed me wasn't very polite about it! Never mind the fact that i had rejoined to do something about it!

Anyway I got googling about the inositol and some sites say it aids weight loss as it reduces insulin resistance and mildly increases fat metabolism - does anyone have any experience of using inositol? Any side effects to it?

Does anyone take any specific vitamins etc? And does your DH take any?

friends123 · 15/09/2016 10:15

I'm so sorry Banana. Xx

Paige43 · 15/09/2016 10:58

Sorry Banana! I hope your feeling is wrong. Maybe a break and focus on work might be a positive thing. I think we put too much stress and expectations on ourselves that we run our body down to the ground.

Slack off 2016 and look to 2017 with greater positively and healthier and more hopefully you x

Lozza my DH and I take wellman/women.

bananafish81 · 15/09/2016 11:46

Thanks ladies. Obv I would love to be surprised but I'm not expecting a magic turnaround.

lozza the 'good' news is that counterintuitively classic PCOS, if you are overweight, is actually easier to treat from an infertility POV. If you are overweight then it's likely your PCOS is related to insulin resistance, and my consultant says when overweight PCOS patients lose weight, go on meds like metformin and inositol, and eat low GL, this very often restores ovulation. Or mean a decent response to Clomid. He said unfortunately patients with lean PCOS are more difficult to treat, as losing weight will definitely not help (he told me I had to get my BMI up to a minimum of 18 as being underweight was harmful for fertility and you need a minimum % of body fat to ovulate) and lean PCOS patients were more likely to be Clomid resistant. So the good news is that there is a very good chance you won't need such aggressive interventions as ovarian drilling or injectables or IVF, as lifestyle changes have the potential to make a big difference

Inositol is an insulin sensitiser in a similar vein to metformin, only not as potent. My Dr said even though I'm lean PCOS, it was still fundamentally an endocrine disorder, so eating low GL and taking inofolic and metformin would certainly help to regulate my hormones

Vitamins wise even though we have no male factor and DH has super swimmers, my consultant advised him to take vitamin C, zinc and selenium as a minimum, as anti oxidants help improve sperm quality. Wellman has it all in one, you get the pregnacare his and hers which have pre conception multivitamins for you both. Or you can get him to take them separately - DH just found one pill more convenient

The book 'it starts with the egg' has lots of advice about diet and supplements for fertility - incl lots of advice about PCOS

In addition to my prenatal multivitamin and the inofolic, I took a lot of antioxidants for my egg quality: CoQ10 as ubiquinol; resveratrol; high dose vitamin D, C and E; as well as a good quality omega 3. I also take prescription strength folic acid, but that's because I have epilepsy, and during IVF I took melatonin (don't take when TTC naturally because it can affect ovulation).

The biggest difference you can make with PCOS is to eat low GL and to take metformin & inositol (and if you're overweight / underweight to get your BMI into healthy range)

star completely agree. This year ALL I have done is infertility. Quite apart from the fact I've been earning fuck all while haemorrhaging money on treatment, and I've been pretty miserable from poor pain control, I just feel like a complete non person. As I suspect many of us are, I'm a type A person who's always been a high achiever if I've worked hard and applied myself. Which of course makes fuck all difference when it comes to infertility, cos that's not how it works - never have I tried so hard to achieve so little. So without work I've not only had no other distraction or focus, but I've just felt like a completely useless individual, because I've accomplished the sum total of fuck all this year. My sense of self worth has just plummeted, because I feel like I'm just not good at anything right now. Whilst the prospect of an enforced break from tx (while we work on my lining with an IUD) is unappealing, at least I'd know I wasn't going to be able to cycle again imminently and could throw myself into work. Couldn't agree with you more about feeling like everything is a total waste of energy!! At least if we put our money into doing up the house we would end up with a nice house, instead of sinking thousands and thousands into a project baby where we get precisely nowhere....

Hope2409 · 15/09/2016 12:45

Banana i'm so sorry to hear that big hugs and look after yourself Flowers

Lozza i take Pregnacare Conception and my DH takes Fertilisan M, we have male factor problems so tried to find something with good reviews to maybe help boost his swimmers!

JustTrixie · 15/09/2016 12:50

Banana, if it is a BFN you still have your frosties from this year and you have been so amazing on here (even now!) giving out support and advice to everyone.

Yep, type A here definitely...really finding it hard to accept that whatever I do to an extent this is all out of my control. Literally feel like I am treading water at the moment.