Infertility Rant!

[loopylou1984]

Thread two moving on from infertility meltdown!
Feel free to join us to rant about any part of the infertility journey

Wow sammy! So did you do any OPK tests this cycle - will Thursday be 5 days after ovulation - ie. will your lining be at the same development stage of the embryo? Sorry, I'm probably stressing you out with so many questions. I think I am just nervous for you because I know how gut wrenching failure after failure is and I desperately want this to work for you! Refresh my memory again sammy - you have two frozen day five embryos right?

chops - I'm feeling nervous for you... 23rd is just around the corner!

Lol Shell, your shocked reaction was similar to mine!

We have 5 day5 blasts.

Yes I had a trigger shot on Friday to make sure Saturday was day 0. So blasts and lining will both be day 5. It just doesn't feel real. Xx

Oh and yes did opks, and we decided with a nurse that we would pay for an extra scan this month to check lining ready for our cycle in January. Only things looked so good that they said it was a great chance and they'd fit us in now! Xx

Yes, it's like I'm living this with you sammy. I actually feel relief knowing that you've taken the trigger and the timing is perfect with your lining and blasts both being day 5.

Wow - 5 frozen day 5 blasts! That is amazing. I was a poor responder and my one or two embryos did not even survive to transfer for half of my cycles, let alone getting any left over to freeze. So 5 frozen is amazing.

So Thursday is the day. Then you will live the slowest two weeks of your life while you wait!

Amazing news sammy I've already congratulated you on the TTC group though :-) you've got a great chance of this working with your blasts. I'm here with you too!

Thursday is my big day too. All my tests will be back and I'm having a scan to make sure bub is a healthy weight and I hope I'll get an in induction date from the consultant!!

Hope you're well shell past the half way point now? :-)

I'm nervous for you chops! I guess just because I've been through labor before and in fact, I was actually induced myself with my son so I've been exactly there and know what you will be gong through. Must feel reassuring that they seem to be monitoring you closely and one last look at your little boy on the screen will be nice.

Yes, I'm past the half way point! I will be 22 weeks this Saturday. Weird how when I was going through repeated IVF failures, every day seemed to drag. I would count down the days to my next IVF attempt, and it would seem forever away. Now that I am pregnant, it is flying.

Thanks both!

I know She'll, time is going to go soooo slowly! I was thinking though, as this is a natural cycle and Thursday will already be 5dpo surely my period will rock up about 9 days after transfer if it doesn't work?? Or will the pregnyl shot have interfered with my lp? Xx

I don't recall the Pregnyl shot delaying my period when IVF did not work. Are you taking progesterone suppositories as that could delay your period? Or perhaps you don't need to because you have a naturally ovulated follicle that will produce progesterone and hasn't been destroyed by the egg collection process as happens in a fresh cycle?

I guess whether you get a period or not 9 days after transfer, a pregnancy test would give an accurate answer at 9 days - if you can resist not testing earlier!

I'm not taking progesterone, all natural. Eek, I'm getting nervous now! Xx

I obviously am no expert, but I think all natural is the way to go. I have seen women on MN do an FET medicated cycle and it just doesn't seem right. The clinics seem to do it so that they can control the timing of the cycle rather than having to monitor for natural ovulation and fit in unscheduled FET's left right and centre as women naturally ovulate. But I don't think your hormones are at the same optimal stage if your cycle is artificially shut down then your uterus is artificially thickened with estrogen tablets. I'm feeling positive for you and hoping like crazy this is it!

Shell I agree, my consultant today said that he thinks in the future there will be no fresh transfers, only frozen and that the majority of these will be natural as its so much easier for the women. He said 'I signed up to working 7 days a week so if transfers need to be every day then so be it'

So I have my blastocyst on board, just going to chill for the rest of the day now. Consultant said lining was fine so I'm not even on progesterone. He said prog can thin the lining so he thought it best to totally avoid it. Xx

Just came on here to say congrats to sammy I have all my fingers crossed for you!

Thanks Toes!
How are you? Xx

I'm great thanks, am already 17 weeks pregnant and seem to be growing a bump. It's very surreal after it not happening for so long I have no idea what to do with myself!

I agree Toes about not knowing what to do with ourselves. Four years of my life up to my BFP were consumed with IVF

• being on Mumsnet
• reading research articles after each IVF failure to improve my odds for next time
• counting calories for my high protein low carb IVF diet
• attending IVF appointments and ultrasounds

I'm due 26th March so just a few weeks ahead of you - I'm sure we'll be very busy again then!

Fantastic that you have your frosty on board sammy!!!! I assume that your frosty survived the defrost so you still have four left? Your consultant sounds very dedicated, wanting to work 7 days a week as that is what women need in IVF, rather than making their schedule fit around him. Interesting to hear that progesterone can thin the lining - I'd never heard that - I always thought it helped!?!? Either way, your lining is fine and you have your natural progesterone from your natural cycle to do what's best for your uterus without artificial medications so that's great. So what next? Do you have to go to the clinic on a set date for blood test or just test at home on a specific date?

Congratulations on being pupo sammy! Sounds like its all going to plan. You just need to busy yourself for the next 2 weeks, eeeek! I hope it flies by for you!

It's official, saw the Dr yesterday and I'm booked into the hospital this coming Monday to have my baby!!! Madness!! Need to run waddle round like a mad thing this weekend to make sure everything is prepared!

Shell - yes it thawed perfectly! So 4 left in the freezer :). I have a picture of it and everything!
I know, the progesterone thing surprised me too so that why I thought I'd better share it.
No blood test, I just test at home on 2nd December. But given that this is a natural cycle I will know next weekend if it hasn't worked as AF will arrive.

Chops! Wow! That's so exciting!!! Have you chosen a name yet? Xx

Wow Chops! Monday you are going through labor! Eek! For me it was a weird feeling walking into that hospital knowing what they were going to put me through, rather than going into labor naturally. If you have a minute at some stage after you're able to take your eyes off your precious boy, do come back and let us know how it went.

Glad I didn't know about the progesterone thing earlier sammy - would have been one more thing for my mind to obsessively google and research when I was going through my IVF cycles. I was actually only required to take it for IVF during the 2ww, but I built up my own supply of progesterone as I had low milk supply with my DS. Your progesterone from your body and placenta is what helps the breasts grow in pregnancy and that's why your milk comes in after the baby is born - because the placenta comes out and the progesterone drops that is interfering with the prolactin receptors on your breasts, so your breasts are then able to do their milk producing thing. I've always had low progesterone at day 21 tests and because I had low milk supply to show that my progesterone could have been low during pregnancy, I am still taking it. But at 22 weeks and regularly feeling kicks, I safely feel that your doctors progesterone theory has not interfered with the success of my pregnancy and I am happy to continue taking it as I am desperate to breastfeed and enjoy all aspects of motherhood with my last chance to do so.

So less than two weeks to find out then sammy! I hope chops baby is coming out while yours is safely burrowing in!

Shell- I don't think it makes THAT much difference, I suspect it was only a concern as I've had thin linings in the past. I'm sure progesterone sups if your levels are low are 100% the right was to go.

Thank you, I'm trying not to think about test day, it's just too scary. Xx

My linings are usually thin too - my period is normally about a tablespoon of blood on day 1, a bit less on day 2 and maybe the tiniest drop of blood in my underwear on day 3. I always hated it in the past as it felt like another sign of my low fertility, but I guess now that my family is complete, light/nearly non existent periods will be quite practical when they eventually come back!

Out of curiosity, did your Dr say what your actual lining thickness was, or just that it was 'fine'? Hope you've got a busy week ahead planned to help you forget about that scary test date? (as if you can forget!)

He didn't say, although before the scan he said the lining thins after ovulation (which I didn't know and don't get why) so not to be alarmed if it had. Then he said 'oh never mind, your linings fine' which I took to mean it was still about 6.7.

Well I'm at work so that's a day time distraction, but not much planned for the evenings yet.

Yes, I think you'll be very happy with those light periods from now on. Xx

So your lining was 6.7 at your last scan right before ovulation then. Probably a good thing he didn't give you it's specific thickness at your transfer - would have been one extra thing to research and obsess over in your wait (if you're anything like me!)

We'll it's Monday morning here which means it is late Sunday there and you should be sleeping soundly and you've made it through one more day. 9 more sleeps til test day.

And when chops wakes up, she will be off to the hopsital to be induced for labor! So I assume the next time we hear from her, she will have her baby boy beside her and will be telling us all about it!

Shell you were right, I was tucked up in bed!

Yeah, I'm glad I didn't know, I would have been googling!

Eeek Chops! How exciting! Good luck and please please pop on and let us know weight/name etc at some point! Xx

You were up early sammy - so much for forgetting. First thing you did was pop on here! Impossible to forget isn't it!

Ooh, chops is probably heading to the hospital now. I was induced for my first born and I didn't know it at the time (which was probably a good thing) but later learned it is a lot worse because the synthetic oxytocin means the contractions are hard and fast from the get go instead of natural labor where it starts of slow and the shocking part is towards the end instead of from the get go. Didn't want to say that to chops because I thought no point in stressing her out. Now that I know, I am really hoping not to be induced this time!

Afraid not ladies, I'm still here! The hospital is too busy this morning to take me in for induction. I've got to phone back later to see if some ladies have been moved on and they have space, sigh