Anyone starting IVF soon? Join me (3)

[purplemeggie]

Ha! I was just about to post the last message in the old thread linking to this, but I'm too late, we've already filled it up! I'll do the same as last time and send PMs to everyone who's been on the thread recently, but everyone's welcome

Great news about your July appointment Marymaymay

And great to hear that your scan went well Cat

Woke early anxious about the call Shellster it came at 10.10 and we have 8 embryo's showing normal signs of fertilisation so feeling incredibly relieved, a fair few didn't fertilise but at least one of those was immature. At least we can rule a fertilisation problem out.
I have a provisional appointment for transfer on Monday afternoon but the embryologist will call on Monday morning to let us know whether it will go ahead or whether they will hold off until Wednesday. With 8 they are hoping that we will go to Wednesday.
Still feeling fairly sore so a lazy day for me. I read that getting a good 8 hours a night is important for IVF success so hopefully with the collection out of the way and knowing that we have fertilised embryo's hopefully multiplying away I will be able to sleep better tonight.

Oh, I have heard great things about Co enzyme Q10 too.

Sounds like ARGC will put your mind at ease if they are willing to test for any reasons for your two m/c Mary. Do you mean they follow your cycle in a natural cycle to see what naturally occurs? Does this help them work out what is best for your IVF cycle?

You must feel reelived cat. Hopefully you can panic less and enjoy more now that you've hit the 12 week mark.

8 is fantastic trixie. Mmm, not sure I've had that many normally fertilised with my 10 IVF;s, and you get that many in one cycle! I bet the next 48 hours are going to really drag as you anxiously wait for Mondays update! I'm already on the CoQ10. Obviously hasn't helped quantity but hopefully it helps quality if I make it to EC. Enough sleep makes sense for IVF success. I must follow this advice myself.

Hi all - I'm back in London, first day back in the office - jetlagged and fed up! Back to reality I guess. I'm still waiting for AF to arrive - am now a few days late. Rather annoying, I'd really like to know how many follicles I'm cooking down there. Dearly hoping there will be 10 or more, just like a couple of cycles ago. Hopefully that wasn't just a 'lucky' cycle.

On the subject of CoQ10 - I'm a big fan. I've been on 600mg a day for quite a few months now. I firmly believe that CoQ10 contributed to my best ever cycle in terms of eggs collected/fertilised. It also makes me feel great - it gives me lots of energy (I think).

Shellster, what's happening with you? When is your next scan?

Hi to everyone else - especially trixie, mary and all the other new people who have popped up whilst I've been away! Great to see some action on this thread.

Hi Blue, hope AF arrives for you soon so you can get on with you cycle. Maybe the jetlag has disrupted your cycle a bit.

Just had my day 3 update from the clinic, out of our 8 fertilised eggs 4 are showing abnormal movement but the other 4 are grade A. Very high chance of them making it to blastocyst so will be having transfer on Wednesday. He said he would be disappointed if we did not have anything to freeze, this would be amazing. The other 4 may well make it to blastocyst stage too but sounds like he has discounted them.
So back to work for a day tomorrow and then a reflexology appointment in the evening and transfer on Wednesday - slightly concerned about overheating in the heat wave!

Good luck with your next scan Shellster.

Cat many congrats on your 12 week scan, how fabulous is that! So pleased to hear your kitten is growing nicely and you can look forward to your second trimester.

Blue sounds like you have lots of nice memories from your trip and I hope your AF arrives soon. Mine was late by 1 week after my first cycle and it felt like an age.

Trixie well done on the embryo count. Fingers crossed for those embryos reaching day 5 and good luck with the transfer.

Shellster any news on your scan?

Well, another fecking failed cycle for me. Tested 1 day early and its as categorically negative as it could be!!!! I just don't know why this isn't working...two failed cycles now, both with top quality embryos - first cycle day 5 transfer and - second cycle day 3 transfer. The latter cycle with the endo scratch and additional progesterone support. No bleed this time, and no sodding pregnancy either. I feel as though I have just thrown approx £13,000 down the drain, never mind the sheer devastation of a neg test. So here's the question, am I just wasting my time, money, emotional energy, impact on my career, for wanting to try again? I'm nearly 42 with 2 failed cycles behind me now. For those who conceived via IVF - got a lovely bfp - how many goes did it take??

for you Choc - devastated for you. I'm planning to have those tests done at Serum that Lucie mentioned a bit down thread. Worth considering for you, too? Sending lots of love....it's a bugger, this thing, it really is.

Delighted to hear your count, Trixie - everything crossed for some lovely blastocysts to transfer and some for frosties too

Hooray for sleepy kittens, Cat and for second trimester blooming too. Can't believe the time has gone so fast!

Hello Blue - hope AF turns up soon.

Shellster - you know this, but you just need a good 'un x

Wow, Mary - ARGC could get in SO much trouble over that one...the Information Commissioner's Office would go mad over that, let alone the HFEA, with all its extra confidentiality requirements. When I was at the Victoria Wing in the Woking Nuffield, they weren't even allowed to reveal the identities of their IVF patients to the operating theatre! No wonder they bumped you up the waiting list! Good work . Time to August will fly by.

I've emailed Serum to arrange the testing....no response yet (how long did they take to reply to you, Lucie?). We've also emailed Arleta to choose our donor and our first choice said yes, which is great. We did a lot of soul-searching, because the donors that were the best match for me in terms of hair and eye colour, height and blood group were in the 29-31 bracket. Last time around, I only considered donors with the same blood group as DH or me, because I didn't want to risk being forced to tell people if (God forbid), our baby needed blood and neither of us could provide it. But we decided that that was a pretty remote event, so we've gone for someone with an "impossible" blood group, but good physical match and 25 years old. She's donated before, too - I'm not allowed to ask if it worked, but hopefully it did!

Purple, I find serum very good at responding to emails and I would hear back within 1-2 days. I really do love them there they are so knowledgable.

Darkchoc, so sorry to hear about your bfn. I can imagine how devastating it is to get another. Are you using your own eggs or donor eggs?

Trixie, congrats again on your little embryos. Really hoping they get to day 5.

Shell, hope your follicles have grown a bit more by your next scan.

I had some bad news, went for my first scan on day 7 and had 11 follicles of a decent size with the largest being 16mm but went to my next scan on day 10 and several of the large ones had disappeared so I decided to cancel. I'm really not happy with my doctor at the moment as I feel she is giving me the cetrotide to stop ovulation too late. Even though I had a 16mm follicle on day 7 she made me wait until the evening of day 9 to begin cetrotide. I ovulate very early anyway and it wouldn't be uncommon for me to get a natural surge of LH around then. I've got a couple of second opinions from other doctors all of which confirm that by the time I was given the cetrotide it would be too late to prevent ovulation. I feel like I've wasted so much time and money at the moment as the same thing happened on our first cycle and the largest follicle disappeared. I now have to wait until the end of July to try again which is so frustrating. I going to be doing things my way next time though and will definitely start the cetrotide on day 6 or 7.

Purple - realised I had missed your question - dd does know we are having treatment, mainly because we had told her that I was pregnant before the first mc. We had had a scan done so she knew. She knows I have to go to London now for treatment. She's asked that we don't tell her next time until we are definite. Waiting til 40 wks is not an option tho!

Shellster - ARGC start all over again with the testing so doing day 2/10/14 bloods all over again, then probably NK immune testing too. They scan you and blood test you every day throughout stimulation and during egg collection week. If you get a bfp then they scan and blood test you weekly for 12 weeks. It seems to possibly be overkill but the results are really good. If I hadn't had 2 mc and wasn't nearly 38, is be going local. However 'local' for me is still 1.5 hrs away so going to London, taking time of work and chilling out seems like quite an attractive way if doing it.

Lucie and Choc - so sorry to hear this. It's just the most awful feeling and there's nothing you can do apart from keep slogging on when all you want to do is put your head under the flipping duvet til it all goes away.

Lucie - so sorry to hear you've had more bad luck. Are you tempted to go the whole hog and have treatment at Serum?

Mary that's really tough, isn't it? DS was only 3 1/2 when I had my miscarriage, but people kept talking about the pregnancy in front of him, because he was so little, they assumed he wouldn't understand. When I'd just miscarried, he said to my mother "I think Mummy has a baby in her tummy", so he'd definitely picked stuff up. We've decided that if we're lucky enough to get pregnant again, we're not going to tell anyone until we're ready to tell him and then it can be his news to share with everyone.

Thanks mary and purple, it is so hard as I should be out there now and would probably have had my egg collection.

Purple, I am very tempted by serum and if it were easier to get to and not quite as expensive I would be there like a shot! I have had some good advice off penny the last few days though and she gave me a choice of 3 different things that I could try but she thought I should give the protocol that I am on now another go but make sure I definitely have the cetrotide to stop ovulation when the largest follicle reaches 16mm and not later. I know the clinic that I'm at now will probably pretty much give me whatever I want next time so I'm going to try once more with them and if still no luck I managed to get a cancellation for a consultation with Gennet in prague the beginning of August so I think I will give it a go there instead. It's a lot cheaper than serum and they have all the latest technology and very up to date.

It must be frustrating in one way blue that your cycle is longer than usual the one time you want to hurry up and have your scan to see what's cooking. On the other hand, I remember we talked about studies showing shorter cycles = reduced fertililty, so here's hoping that the DHEA is doing something and that this longer cycle = increased fertility and a higher AFC when you do finally have your scan.

Trixie, fantastic news. Sounds like you're in with a fighting chance.

choc, I wish I knew what to say. I feel pretty grim already when I look at the statics being low for my age at 38. I'm not sure how they are at 42. This is where I wish IVF was not such a money scam. If they were putting us first, it would not cost thousands to have our eggs genetically tested and then you could see your chances and help you to come to a decision.

Geepers purple, so much to consider with donor eggs that I'd never throught about such as the blood group. I hope you get a response from Serum re the testing soon so you can get on with things. I assume that means collected blood from your next period and then commencing IVF the cycle after.

ARGC sounds very thorough Mary. I wish my clinic was that thorough. Would really help to put my mind at ease that I was in capable hands during the cycle. I hope it helps reassure you during your cycle.

lucie - how frustrating!!!! I can't understand why the Dr would start the Cetrotide so late when your lead is already at 16mm?!?! What a waste of your time, money and emotions. You know your body best and she should have listened. Grr.

Speaking of clinics listening, I've just come back from a scan which showed 17mm, 17mm, 14mm 11mm and 6 more smaller follicles. During a previous cycle a nurse at my clinic mentioned that my Dr likes to allow the follicles to grow a bit larger than the clinics standard protocol. I had an IVF cycle in July 14 with similar scan results and my Dr waited another 2-3 days before I took the trigger. I was worried because I was allowing the larger follicles to over mature for the sake of the smaller ones and had read studies studies showing that the first to mature contain the most genetically viable eggs. I even faxed my concern to her but they still decided to wait for the smaller follicles before trigger. The result that cycle was the eggs from the larger two follicles broke apart with ICSI which the Dr said would have been because they were over mature, and the 3 eggs from the smaller follicles did not work - one didn't fertilise normally, one didn't fertilise at all and the third fertilised but didn't make it to transfer. So I've just emailed my Dr telling her that I want to focus on the larger 17mm follicles and trigger at the right time for them, rather than waiting for the smaller ones to catch up while the larger best quality eggs over mature again.

Thanks shell I am so annoyed with it all. I can't believe we have wasted 2 cycles on this. Next time I will be making sure I give myself the cetrotide when I believe the time is right I don't care what she thinks. Apparently the LH surge starts when the lead follicle is 17-18mm so another 2 days would have been useless for me. I'm convinced we would have had such a good chance of it working on the first round if she had administered it at the right time.

That sounds like a brilliant result so far with your follicles. They have grown loads since the last scan. Are you happy with it? What sort of size would you like to trigger at? Maybe wait another day or two for the 11mm to get a bit bigger?

Choc, so sorry to hear your news. Very disappointing indeed. There just doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to IVF - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Although we all try out best to figure out 'why', I think it comes down to luck quite often. I am often reminded of the chart with the green and red dots on this website....perhaps your cycles have pulled out more red dots than green. I'm in the same boat. I got (shortlived) BFPs in my first 2 cycles and nothing on the 2nd two, despite getting more eggs and more blastos. I blame the 'red dots' for cycles 3 and 4 - obviously there is nothing you can do about this. It's very frustrating.

Would you consider using donor eggs like Purple? It's a good way of improving your odds. I definitely plan to use donor eggs if this next (and final) cycle doesn't work for us.

Take some time to think about it all....hen lick your wounds and think about plan B. Always helps me feel better. Don't give up! You can do this.

Same for you Lucie, although it sounds like you could perhaps do with a change of clinic (or at least a change of doctor). You must be very disappointed and annoyed with this outcome.

Purple - great to hear you've found another suitable donor. I'm feeling good about her, she sounds fertile!

Shellster, thanks for the reminder about DHEA and longer cycles. Perhaps that's the reason I'm a couple of days later than usual (along with the jet lag, which I think can also mess things up). I'm feeling a bit nervous about my day 2 scan. Good to hear that you're taking charge of your own treatment a little bit - you definitely know best and I think you're making the right decision by focusing on the bigger follicles. Don't let that nasty nurse boss you around this time!

Blue thanks for your kind advice, it had me in tears. I had a look at the chart with the red and green dots and I think in a most practical way it sums up my experience and no doubt those of other women going through IVF. It's like rolling a dice. I can't help but wonder too whether my c-section has anything to do with this. I spent this morning in the park with my DC who's 4...surrounded by babies and toddlers. I can't walk away from another attempt just yet as a sibling is just so important to me...I have so little family and I know my DC would benefit greatly from having someone else in life. However...the costs, I wish I had a second income!! I've thought about donor eggs at length. My own eggs are obviously my pref and not least since my Mum is terminally ill and I very much want to pass her/my genes on again. But it is now something I will consider even though I am already using donor sperm. Good luck with your day 2 scan...they are nerve inducing hoops to jump through, but we learn so much from that basic scan and you may be pleasantly surprised.

Shellster I can't recall my embryo sizes, but I know I lost one - from the lead follicle no doubt - because it was too mature...and I knew it was going to happen too. I also lost some because they were immature. Sometimes there seems so little balance despite our best efforts. Good you are taking charge re: trigger before that follicle reaches a defunct level.

Purple this is the thing about IVF and donor gametes - there are so many complicated and heartfelt decisions to make. Been there with donor sperm!

Mary I haven't told my DC (4yrs) I'm trying to have a baby. But he comes with me to appointments thinking it's where I work. I know he would be quite upset if I told him that I was trying to have a baby and then didn't or couldn't and I certainly couldn't explain the whole donor sperm to him at this age in any event. It's a tough call with children isn't it.

Lucie sorry to hear about your situation. Have you thought about changing your dr or clinic as per mentioned above? If the Dr can't even get the basics right it raises some pretty fundamental questions.

Can I ask whether anyone feels pain during the transfer process? I have felt a sharp stabbing pain both times now in my uterus as Dr is trying to gain access and I can't help but wonder whether it caused a small bleed and prevented implantation.

I've been up since 2.30am. It's nearly 4am now and I can't sleep. I don't think being tired will do my eggs any good so I thought a rant here might get things off my mind so I can get a couple of hours sleep before I have to be up at 6.30am for my last scan.

blue, I circumnavigated that bossy nurse and emailed direct to the dr's receptionist. A few minutes later I receive a response 'Dr Hope is happy for you to trigger tomorrow night'. Your 'dots' analogy had me curious and I couldn't resist clicking the link. Made me feel quite bleak about this last IVF, knowing I am much closer in age to the 42 dots picture than the 28 dots picture. I know all too well the nerves about the day 2 scan. I am nervous for you and hoping you report good news soon.

choc, you are right, there is so little balance and the clinic can only do their best with our varying follicle sizes. Ideally we would like to have 6-8 follicles all at 16-18mm, but in reality that doesn't happen, especially when us 'maternally older' women don't produce many to begin with. I am lucky that I got two follicles at 17mm so at least my lead/top quality eggs are both mature at the same time. Although one of those follicles was 9mm at day 3 and was still 9mm at day 10 scan. I was worried it wasn't a normal follicle as it wasn't doing anything but at day 14 it was 17mm. I should be happy that it patiently waited for the other follicles to catch up before growing, but now instead I am worried that this isn't a normal follicle because it isn't normal for a follicle to grow like that, meaning one less egg. Eeek. Someone knock me out until this whole thing is over with!

Shellster I hope you slept in the end, so stressful all this IVF. If you need a bit of hope, I'm 39 and still managed to catch a green dot in my ladle.

The only pain I had Choc was when they opened up my cervix a touch to get the tube in. Maybe it's worth mentioning?

Hoping those eggs you're buying are the lucky ones, Purple.

Lucie that is just too frustrating. I hope they listen to you.

Hi all - pleased to report my AF arrived yesterday afternoon and I had my day 2 scan this morning. I'm a little bit disappointed, 5-6 follicles total compared to 7-8 last time. Last time I managed to get 7 eggs, all to blasto stage. I guess this means I might end up with 5 this time around which wouldn't be so bad.

Anyway, he took some blood to test my FSH level and will call me tonight with the results. If it's over 11 we might wait until next cycle, if it's less then we'll probably go for it.

Tough call...I have a feeling it's going to be over 11. I'm keen to get started but I'd also rather wait until things are optimal (or at least as 'optimal' as they can be given my previous history). Let's see what he says.

Shellster, please don't get hung up on the green versus red dots! I just like the diagram as I think it highlights the 'luck of the draw' problem rather well. There are plenty of women on the internet who produce a small number of eggs and get a BFP, or vice versa. It just seems to be a lucky dip sometimes. It's definitely your turn to get lucky x

Hello everyone.

I'm brand new to message boards and this but the time has finally come! I'm due to start short protocol ivf in the next week or so. Looking here to find some positive inspiration and any tips on getting through the treatment without harming anyone (poor husband!!)

A bit of scene setting : I'm 41, DH 45, we have one daughter (4.5) who has naturally conceived and normal pregnancy and birth. Obviously number 2 has been a bit more tricky and we went for tests. Turns out DH has low count, motility AND morphology. I've got polycystic ovaries (never knew that before) and after having laporoscopy and hysteroscopy (had high chlamydia antibodies although i certainly never remember having it diagnosed or treated - silent disease they say isn't it ?) turns out I had quite badly damaged tubes (not blocked, but repaired and not removed), some cervical erosion and early signs of endo. (My 1st pregnancy must have been a fluke or the chlamydia damage not in force then)

So with combination of my age, his lazy sperm, my lazy tubes (our jokes to console each other - please not meaning to offend anyone else!) and my polycysticness our consultant said that she was happy for us to be taken through IVF. We're self-funded and consultant has recommended short protocol with ICSI (through Oxford as our main clininc) as I have the minimum requirement of eggs they like. My drugs arrived today so am now waiting for AF as will start one lot on Day 2 and then the next on Day 5.

Feeling nervous yet excited!!

Did anyone have any extra dietary or health advice? Our consultant didn't give us anything and I quite like that to be honest as I'm going to be stressed out enough I think without having to worry that I'm eating the exact right things. The biggest thing we've done is cut down booze completely. We'd probably previously have a bottle of wine 2 or 3 nights a week but have now swapped it mostly for ribena!! (With an occasional glass on the weekend - I think I'm going to need it to get through it all!!) The other thing we did was start taking some powder supplements that were recommended. Inofolic for me which has apparently been shown to help improve quality of eggs for women with PCO and Proxeed for DH. The proxceed certainly seems to have worked as DH's count has gone up from 6million to 14million within 2 months! Anyone else used these ?

Also did you tell anyone at work about it ? I'm just thinking about EC and ET. As I'll need to suddenly have time off (2 days for EC and 1 for ET they've advised) It's a weird thing as I know my (male) boss would be really supportive but I don't want them to really know as it's kind of like a big warning flag that if it goes ok I'll be off for a year in about 9 months time!!

Basically trying not to think too much about it. My main worries are that I'll mess up the injections or that I'll get OHSS but I'm very confident in the team. Looking forward to hearing and sharing in with other stories on here x

Choc - I can't remember if you've had a hysteroscopy recently? The one I had a couple of weeks ago was specifically to investigate the inside of my caesarean scar to see if it was affecting implantation and they concluded that there was quite a bit of inflammation there and that this was a likely cause of my IVF failures. That's why they're going to support my next cycle with the antibiotics. I wonder if this is something that might help for you?

I'm glad they're listening at long last Shellster - so hoping it's your turn x

Glad AF finally turned up blue
Hi Helibeli and welcome to the thread - and to the IVF rollercoaster! Most of us have been advised to eat a high protein, low carb diet to help with egg quality - and it's worth starting this straight away. Loads of water helps with egg quality too - my clinic explained that the follicles are full of water and it gets refreshed by osmosis, so if you drink plenty they are flushed through more regularly. I was told to drink at least 2 litres of water and a litre of milk per day - the jury's out a bit on the mil, but they seem to think that the protein helps.

Darkchoc, I am so sorry I just had my transfer and I felt nothing after the speculum went in.

Shellster, hope you managed a few more hours and your last scan went well.

Blue, fab that AF arrived, 5 to blasto stage sounds good to me. Hoping for an FSH under 11 for you.

Hi Helibeli, I also have pco which was also news to me too as I have regular cycles and no symptoms. I was advised to cut back on sugar, hadn't realised how much I was consuming until I started paying more attention, and to up my protein. To help prevent OHSS my clinic recommended coconut water which I am sipping as I type!

Supplements wise I've just been having folic acid and vitamin D, I know lots of ladies take Co Enzyme Q 10 for egg quality.

I told my boss I would be taking time off to have IVF and he has been really good, I work for a tiny firm and he has been happy for me to take time off as and when.

The only side effects I had from the medication was tiredness and bloating. I pretty much cleared my calendar from date of first injection so that I would have plenty of time to relax and put the IVF first. How long until you expect AF?

So, had my transfer earlier this afternoon and it is looking like we will have a few to freeze (which is amazing!), embryologist will call tomorrow. My ovaries are however the size of oranges and I am pretty bloated and at risk of OHSS, the Doctor was happy to proceed but I am under strict orders to rest and drink plenty of fluids. Need to phone the clinic on Friday to let them know how I am doing. Slightly concerned but trying to stay calm and positive.

Great news about the probably frosties, Trixie - I'm keeping everything crossed that you'll have a good crop and that your transfer is successful. And that you don't get OHSS - I didn't realise that could still happen after EC.

Well done on the transfer and the possible frosties trixie, great result. Drink LOADS of water and take it easy!

Some good news from my doctor - my FSH is 7. That's pretty good apparently. Therefore we're going to go ahead with this cycle as planned...I did my first menopur injection tonight (450). Gulp, this is really happening (again!). Nervous and pleased all rolled into one, hopefully a couple more follies might emerge over the next week or so.

Purple, where are you up to? Do you know when you'll transfer will be?

Welcome helibeli, lots of useful info on this forum. I'm on 600mg CoQ10 a day plus a pregnancy multivitamin, DHEA, l-arginine, omega 3, 5mg folic acid and lots and lots of water. I'm also a big fan of yoga and exercise. Who knows if any of this stuff really works but it makes me feel better (mentally anyway).

Purple thanks for the suggestion and for sharing your experience. I've had the hycosy and all was well, but I haven't had hysteroscopy. I've just seen the average price of the test in the UK and it's outside my budget, sadly, but I do think one is in order given my c-section was a mess at the time.

Helibeli welcome to the board where I'm sure you'll find tons of info and support. For, me it is a case of cutting out the wine, caffeine, and eating less carbs and more protein ...though given I've just failed a second cycle, I'm taking a break from the strict dietary regime in order to lick my wounds and formulate plan c. I think most probably stress about the drugs, but I think if one views IVF as a treatment plan, it helps if and when side effects kick in. I think us women are a resilient bunch!

Blue pleased to hear your AF is here and you've had your scan. Wow, 7 to blast stage last time, that's remarkable. Fingers crossed for your FSH result this evening.

Trixie thanks for sharing experience of ET, as others aren't reporting pain, this is something I shall raise with consultant. Anyhow, here's wishing you a restful and relaxing 2ww amid the horrid risk of OHSS; try to find therapeutic things to occupy yourself and do resist testing early. How many blasts did you transfer?

Thanks for the welcome. So much new terminology to take in :-)

Trixie - great that you had transfer earlier and get some to freeze. I hope the embryologist gives you good news tomorrow too!

Thanks for all the info from you and purplemeggie. Interesting about sugar as that's what I've been doing myself anyway. I've cut out refined carbs (been meaning to do this for ages as they make me so bloated) and even though we're pretty much a 5veg-a-day type house I've been upping them even more. Generally a poached egg, spinach, tom and mushrooms for break, salad and veg for lunch and something with salad and veg for tea! I've been feeling so bloated though - maybe I ought to cut down on the cauliflower and red cabbage in my salad :-)

Pretty good with water too but will boost that aswell - not hard to do in this weather!

AF is due no earlier than Sunday and I would guess no later than next Thursday. Still a teeny chance i might not need the ivf (after having my lap 2 months ago) but will let you know when it arrives!!!

I guess I'll decide what to do about work when the time comes. I've got 2 days booked off end of July anyway for a camping trip but timings might work out that i can use those for EC and just duck out of camping. Preparing to relax is going to be a tricky one but will make sure hubby is on board supporting me with this!