Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage part 6

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Part 5 here : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/infertility/a1852840-Assisted-conception-after-recurrent-miscarriage-part-5

Oh Belly that is really bad of them as septum is something you are born with - it doesn't suddenly develope!!!
I had hysteroscopy at chelsea and westminster but only diagnostic so can't say who is good in UK. People are usually happy with St. Mary's in Paddington (London). Am sure they take private patients.
But from what I've heard Serum / Athens have best reviews + if you didn't have their infection test you could have that done as well.
I am so sorry, must feel really frustrating for you.
Oh and swimming after hysteroscopy - I was spotting for a few days after ( and didn't even have septum removed) so I wouldn't swim, think infection risk is way too high.
Brown what a mystery! Are you testing with the same batch of tests? Maybe they are faulty if yes...
Fingers crossed the results will explain what's going on. When will you know?
Well I had a very unusual experience with acupuncture last week when I started to feel very happy and gigle halfway through and had a strong feeling that my body is finally ready for pregnancy/baby ( never ever had that before!!!) So we DTD loads last week ( ovulated on saturday) and am 6DPO today.
It feels like my immune system has gone bonkers - flue symptoms with hot/cold/ sweating etc but no headache. Had to have a nap at lunch time last couple of days as well. Will test on tue (10DPO) before Dr. G appointment so if it is by any mirracle BFP I can start with all the immune staff he will recommend. Saying by any mirracle as my DH's sperm count is way too low and we were told IVF is only way...

Belly, that is bonkers. I've just googled septate uterus and it is staggering that this has never been found before (and for that matter that no one has ever mentioned in all the time I've had rm the possibility of any abnormality to me or to anyone else I know in the same boat). And as you say, frustrating that valuable years have passed in the mean time. On the plus side it is a concrete reason that, from what I've just read, when treated has a dramatic effect on your chances of having a live baby. I think it highlights that the interpretation of a lot of these procedures is quite subjective; nobody picked up my bipartite placenta in the UK but a scan in Cyprus did.
Nanny that sounds spookily promising ... so often you hear of people conceiving before their IVF was due to start. My cousin included. Weren't you told to test 8dpo by someone?
I was told to ring back on Monday for my results. I'm almost to scared to.

brown oh yes, you are right, local RMC, from day 23 of 30 day cycle. Gosh, should test tomorrow am as am day 22 today. And would have to start with fragmin injections, aspirin, cyclogest if BFP. - never heard of any sort of proper line at 7DPO though.
If going by Coventry protocol I should start cyclogest tomorrow - hate the staf, have always horrible discharge with it and it never helped so guess will give it a miss.
Will see what Dr G will say - have a feeling that inralipids / steroids are what I really need. Will see...
Fingers crossed for your test results on mon - I am sure that they can't be possibly as bad as you imagine ( I always expect the worst possible result)
An yes, not spotting septum on aqua/saline scan is really bad... Bordering on neglect I would say... If NHS messes up we blame in on system/lack of money/ old equipment... But when you go privatelly, pay loads of money and it still is not done properly that is really bad...

I did have a positive once at 8dpo but never 7. Usually I have a faintest line by 9dpo and then something more certain by 10 and definite by 11dpo.
This wtf cycle no. 2 is even more weird. I had a strong positive opk on the day of the blood test, day 3, if you recall, and now it's negative. And my temperature has been very high the last two days. As if I really had ovulated just after a period! Now of course usually I test neither opks nor my temperature so early in the cycle so I've nothing to compare it with, and of course two temperatures alone mean nothing, but it's definitely strange.

How weird Brown. Did they check LH with your blood test? Will be interesting to see how they compare - blood and urine test.
I did 2 test today - just for fun. Internet one step one - no line at all, sainsburys own which can be used 4 days early(with blue cross for positive) - has evep like line whic was there 2 mins after I did the test.
Will entertain myself again tomorrow am
And will buy a proper test for tue...

The Sainsburys one sounds like the Newmark ones I used to get. I always, always have a blue thin line on those, whether I'm pregnant or not, but having said that, it did pick up my 8dpo pregnancy as a thick blue line, earlier than the internet cheapies, that was then confirmed by FRER. So who knows?

Hi ladies I lost you again :/
Pebbles good luck!
Belly I hope you get sorted at least you know now I guess but yes frustrating!
Day 10 for me and high on monitors ;)
Waves to all x

Hmm yes it is thick and blueish. Check the instructions for it to be positive it needs to be same width as control line which it is.
So if it is positive on frer on tue than I will highly recomend sainsburys own test ( they were 2 for under £4)
If not I will stay away from them in future.
Actually will test on monday as if it is BFP I will have to go to see nurse to show me how to inject myself with fragmin.

Oh my gosh nanny how have I missed this?! Fingers firmly crossed x

Oooh! that's promising. Really hope your gut instinct about this cycle was right! x

I'm thinking of buying a monitor, Mel. Would you recommend them? Am I right in thinking they are about £500?

What monitor are you looking at???!!! You can get an old style clearblue quite reasonable. I paid £100 off amazon for the new one. The duo moniter is about £500. I think with monitors like everything else they work better for some. It did work before but then when I was on super ovulation I was told not to use it. This new one I'm on month 3 and it is interesting but it's not as detailed as I thought unless I'm missing something x

The Duo one does sound amazing, but realistically it is a lot of money, especially for someone who said they were going to be paying no attention to all things ttc! Does the Duo one need sticks? If not maybe it works out cheaper after a while.
I just saw the other one on Amazon for £79, but I suppose the sticks work out expensive. It just annoys my inner control freak not to know what's going on. Do you mean you're using the new Clearblue one that does pregnancy tests too?
Another high temperature this morning as if I had ovulated, along with a negative ov test.
Any news, Nanny?
How's it going, Pebbles?

Belly I had the exact same thing, have had two lots of hystos and laparoscopies in the UK first ones about 8 yrs ago privately through insurance and then again a few years later on nhs and they told me everything was fine. Hysto at Serum and they found I had a septate so totally know how you are feeling. I was half totally p**d off and half relieved that we had found the problem! I would completely recommend having it done at Athens first, one I have had without being really sick afterwards and first one where they found my issues. It's a bit weird though being in a hospital abroad...also you are not allowed to swim/bath for about a week after I think because of infection risk. Also with me I had a small balloon inserted after to keep the walks of the uterus apart. Let me know if there is anything you want to ask. So pleased you have got to the bottom of things and fingers crossed!!!

Well I had my first scan yesterday and Penny was really pleased, I have about six good size follicles either side and egg collection should be Friday. Feeling relaxed now at last and hope that helps. Have been a bit naughty and had a glass of wine last night but can't see it would hurt that much...
Still trying not to get my hopes up to much as I know my uterus still isn't perfect as I have adenomysis.

Brown sorry your cycle is still confusing!!

I think somebody asked me what my immune protocol is (sorry can't scroll back!), I started on about day 22 of last cycle with 2 x 5mg pred and something calked Celebrex which is to reduce any inflammation. I then also started on anti b's twice a day and clexane blood thinners from stimulation and I had intralipids yesterday and will have another lot before I go.

Wow nanny have everything crossed for test on Tuesday !!!

Waves to all.

Exciting times good luck pebbles ;) and nanny ;)
Brown the duo has no sticks you attach sensors, the thing that put me off was you have to then sign up more money after a while if you want the benefit of the advice line. Look into it and see I think you can get one for a year. They used to do a money back guarantee but don't now. Yes I've got the one with the preg sticks too yet I'm still using the other purple opk too to back it up! Funnily enough I got neg on cheapie opk last night which was odd unless it was faulty but these 2 can't be wrong as well!

Did a sneaky amazon one step test - something what looks like evaporation line is there.
Keep the boots one for tomorrow as if it is positive it will be a bit clearer than it would be today, if negative I would have just wasted a test.
pebbles best of the luck, it all sound very positive so far. It was me asking about your immune plan, just curious to see what other people's plans are.
Will see Dr Gorgy on tue, hopefully I'll have my plan then as well.
mel how I wish we could have regular scans/blood test when trying without IVF/SO. Wish it wasn't all so expensive.
It helped me so much last cycle that I had day 2 tests + scan + a scan at st mary's at 6dpo which showed I ovulated - so I knew everything was OK and it was just an odd cycle. I would have imagined the worst things possible happening to me otherwise...
Brown good luck with your test results tomorrow.
I was considering those monitors and somehow found some faults with every single one - mainly because I work a mix or days and nights which change all the times I find it impossible to use fmu everyday and surely it would influence my temperature as well.
Actually does any of you take CoQ-10? What is a consensus on this one? Safe in pregnancy? Started to take is 2 mnths ago as I read it can improve egg quality but it seems to keep my blood pressure at normal levels as well ( was told I'd need to be put on medication for high BP which I am not keen on, really) . Just can't find anywhere how safe it would be if I was pregnant.

Morning...
Same result on Sainsbury's HPT - very very very faint blueish line, same width as control line. Looks like evap to me.
As it didn't get any darker I take it as BFN, retest with FRER tomorrow am ( 10DPO) and if nothing on that one will patiently wait for my AF to show up on Saturday...

I think a frer is a good idea, good luck. A line sounds promising though.
I got high again on moniter, I bet I'll get peak tomorrow when oh is away as I always do! Still it's later this month. I tend to have some early some later. Well wel Dtd tonight and wed can't do much more than that if he's not here!!
Had some sad news as my father in laws dad died, he was like a grandad to me. Here's hoping the funeral is when I've broken up x waves to all

My cheap opk had a nearly postive last night so the other must of been faulty!

Sorry to hear that, nanny - but there's still a chance. I must say that the lines on the Newmark ones were very blue, even though most of them must have been evaporation lines. It also depended on how I laid the test down as to how thin the line was.
I used to take co-enzyme q10 and was told to stop on bfp. I was told I wouldn't need it any more as its work on egg quality would be done.
Thanks for all your advice about the monitors, Mel. Sounds complicated stuff. Sorry to hear about your grandad-in-law. I am also very close to my grandparents in law, not having had any of my own since my early teens.
My cheapies are now negative every day and my temperature still high. Could I really have ovulated after AF? Or maybe it wasn't a real AF? A bleed from a cyst?

Good news, Pebbles. Really hope this is your cycle.

Oh Mel I am so sorry about your news. Hope you'll get a chance to say proper good bye.
It really looks like you always ovulate on Tue... Yesterday and tomorrow for DTD should be enough though.
Do you get any symptoms when you ovulate ? Like EWCM, ov pain , or something specific for you? ( I get a few stubbing pains in my breast and really high sense of smell just before I ovulate... Weird I know) OPK can get very confusing ( and so can HPT , clearly...)

Brown think the only way to know would be to have a scan - didn't you say you'd have one? Fingers crossed for good results today

I also notice men look at me more when I'm walking down the street when I'm ovulating. It's really quite striking. Or is that because I'm looking at them more?! :) I've read also that women dress with brighter colours when ovulating.
Well, I am supposed to be getting a scan on the NHS so I was hoping not to have to pay for one now. So it depends what date they give me. If it's within the next week or so they should still be able to see a corpus luteum if I had ovulated, do you think?
As to my results, I think the results would be the same if a) I'm menopausal or b) I was about to ovulate, as both cause high lh and fsh. That is what I'm expecting but it still won't solve the mystery!

Crikey, I don't read the thread for a few days and it explodes! :)

Not sure I can add much to the discussion, but monitors - I always used the CBFM one and you can get the sticks reasonably on eBay (just check they're still in date).

Hysteroscopy - I had one here with Mr S, they found nothing. Then went to Serum, they found masses of scarring. I know where I'd go! Plus that's still the only place I've ever had a GA that I felt 100% fine after - over here I've felt groggy and washed-out for days after them all. Just my opinion. :)

pebbles Love to hear your news, sounds like you're coming along great! Is it hot in Athens right now? Are you getting out and about sight-seeing at all? I'm off to Lanzarote tomorrow for 2 weeks and hoping it's not going to be too hot!

On the co-Q10 front, I understand the only reason it's suggested to stop at BFP isn't that it's not safe in pregnancy, rather that there haven't been enough studies to say whether it is or not. It's your choice in the end.

AFM, we had our 20 week scan this morning, all well and one twin still active as hell, looks like that one could be trouble! And we found out we're having 2 boys, which is a massive shock for me - what do you do with boys?! I'm only used to girls!! DD is rather disgusted; she had said she wanted 2 girls (naturally) but that she'd 'put up with' one of each. She's not at all impressed it's 2 boys! :)

/waves to everyone, sorry to hear your sad news mel.