Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage part 6

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Part 5 here : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/infertility/a1852840-Assisted-conception-after-recurrent-miscarriage-part-5

Just had appointment with Penny. As we are not ready to start IVF straight away there was no point in doing aqua scan/ hysteroscopy. My DH had his test done, DNA fragmentations result we'll get in a few days but sperm count improved a little bit since last time - density went from 4 to 10 so improved quite a lot but still need to be over 15 to be normal. I had chicago test + we both had DQa match done. Should get result by the end of next week.
Penny was very sweet, we had a chat about how stress in not helpful so will work on that. Also loosing weight/ getting fit. Not her suggestion but at the moment I just feel like if my body was not working and after 3 and half years of concentrating on getting/ staying pregnant I have had enough and would like to feel like 'me' again.
Sorry about me me me but I suppose you've all been through moments/days/wee ks like this.
My DH doesn't understand thisat all
We also saw Dr Eaboutconomou yesterday and his approach is so different to Penny's, opposite even. He preffers any possible test to be done and take if from there while Penny is more intuitive ( if that is the right word) and likes to base her decision on her experience
Anyway Dr E recommended I had my insulin resistance test done so will talk to my endocrinologist when I see her in august - don't think there is any chance a GP would be able to do/ order the test...
So I guess next few months I will be just enjoying life ( as Penny put it) and if I get pregnant will follow any immune protocol I will be recommended.
If by any chance all tests ( blood and sperm) come back normal I will have to accept that it is quality of my egg and will go straight to DE IVF in Nov/Dec time

Aw sue not sure if you sound disappointed or not so I hope you feel abit further forward. It's good about the sperm.
Got me thinking that I hope I won't need another hysterscopy then before ivf as mine was a year ago :/
Pebbles hope you sort a scan, we have a place called this is my I think and they do all sorts of scans quite reasonable, I went there for my ovulation ones but of course not sure if there's one near you.

Namny totally get where you are coming from with the wanting to feel like you. It will do you good to take a break as this ttc stuff starts to wear you down.

What was the name of the place Mel?

Don't worry I found it Mel and they have one in London so have emailed them. Thanks so much.

Ooh fab I find them quite reasonable! "Is this my" x
Yes nanny it can all sort of take over can't it :(

Sorry for quite a depressing post yesterday, I was just really tired.
Mel think penny will just recommend implantation cuts / scratch. Think with me she wants to do it just before IVF only because she expects there might be loads of scarring etc because I tested positive for ureaplasma and chlamidia and I always miscarry way too early. She would have used steroids and intralipids even without me having any chicago tests though.

Nanny we all understand it's so draining :(
Good luck with it all.
Waves to all x

My DH sperm DNA fragmentation test came back normal so one less thing to worry about
Mel is it time to test again? Good luck if yes

That's good as you say another ticked off. I had awful tummy pains wed pm, not testing just yet!

That's good news then nanny!

Mel hope those pains are a good thing... Fingers crossed

Thanks though thought it was promising last month! No signs at all just feel tired today, day 11po cycle day 22 x monitor says af due tues

I remember before urging you to test, Mel, and it was positive that time ... Go on ...
Great news about the DNA fragmentation, Nanny. You don't need to apologise to us. I can imagine you have high expectations when you go out to a clinic, but the reality is more tests, more waiting, more unknowns.

The most unbelievable wtf cycle for me. Day 34 and after 2 weeks of positive opks, accompanied by strong pressure in the ovaries, I had 6 days of negative ones. Now they have been positive again, and even stronger, for 3 days. I lost my normal thermometer this month and have been through 3 replacements, having broken two by automatically rinsing them under the tap after use, as you could do with my old trusty one. The upshot is I can't trust any of the readings I've had. This started off being a cycle that I was going to ignore but the weirder it's got, the more I've been trying to test and work out what's going on. This morning, despite a total conviction that I haven't ovulated at any point this month, I tested with 4 10miu cheapies. All had a line. Rushed out and bought a First Response, the test line of which was as white as the driven snow. Have tested again with cheapies; all negative. All of this accompanied by lots of EWCM all month, high soft cervix.
I have no idea what is going on. No sign of AF. The doctor wasn't interested on Monday when I went and said come back in 3 weeks if no AF.

My latest theory is that if you test an ovulation test and pregnancy test in the same pot of wee, somehow this will give a false positive on the pregnancy test. Obviously it's not often anyone would be doing that, so perhaps it doesn't come up often!

Brown what a month! Is there anywhere you could have blood pregnancy test done?
Oh and I don't agree with your theory ( have been there...and no it didn't give me positive pregnancy test)

Ha ha brown! I have to agree with nanny I had positive opks for days one cycle (again hopes up) but still neg hpt. Poor you though I would try get blood done. My doc did mine but that took a couple of days or would they give you a blood form for hospital? How annoying!
Of course now I'm thinking do I stop the cyclogest or not again!! Every time I stop meds I end up with af and awful migraine!!

I've just done a comparison with 2 different pots of wee and I am indeed right. That was the cause of the false positives (maybe different brands work differently).
One mystery solved ... just the wtf cycle to work out now.

Maybe you geared up to ovulate and have only just ovulated now, I had that didn't i. So annoying though!!

Had the same thing last month - 2x it looked like I was just about to ovulate but I didn't ( thought I did because of +OPK but didn't feel a thing but concluded that the tests are right) than 5 days later(wasn't testing anymore) I had that typical 'pain' and when I got home the test was +. And 2 weeks later my period finally arrived - 10 or so days later than normally.
Can't wait to see what happens this month - CD9 today. Not TTC as DH still on antibiotics but would love my normal cycle back.
Mel if you need to start any medication/ treatment on BFP I would test. Also I wouldn't stop cyclogest unless 14DPO and BFN...

Brown just out of curiosity - which tests did you use? So I can avoid them... And sorry they gave you false hope. Would still retest with FRER in a couple of days if AF still not there...

Mel, my personal opinion is that you want the cyclogest to give you enough protection to ensure any embryo implanted, but don't want to waste any extra days if you're not going to conceive that cycle. So for me, that means cyclogest until 10dpo. Then AF by about 13/14dpo.
Yes, I think you're right about gearing up; it's so annoying that every time I was going to 'prove' one way or another whether I had ovulated by my temperature, my thermometer failed at the crucial moment.

Ah, for normal cycles, Nanny ...

They are called Promatis. They work fine in separate pots of wee though :)

Thanks nanny I know you're right just hating seeing that bfn and then Theres the "what if I'd ovulated later than thought" all v stressful! I just wonder if af would turn up of it's own accord rather than having to stop cyclogest ESP as I've reduced steroids now but then don't want another mile long cycle like I had the first time to see!!