Ivf anyone starting stimms next week?

[naty1]

Im starting stimns next week for icsi(dependent on blood test)?
Anyone at the same time want to join.

Oh thats good, thanks, wouldnt want to ban him from the pool. Trying to avoid too many sweets ice cream and cakes will be difficult enough.
Shell how are you getting on after cancelling. Will you monitor ovulation and judge from that?

naty, I also was wondering if the drugs I have taken so far will affect me and I now need time to recover before doing IVF again. My friend did two IVF cycles and got around 10 eggs both times. The cycle before her 3rd IVF, she took Clomid just to give the natural method one last shot before IVF. Didn't work but then for her IVF cycle, she started with a really high AFC and got a whopping 25 eggs of which one became her baby! So I am kinda hoping that the drugs I took this cycle give me a strong ovulation too and get my body into overdrive preparing more antral follicles ready for next cycle. We shall see. Just anxious for my period to arrive so I can get a day 2 scan and see if the Aspirin has helped increase my AFC. If I still don't have many follicles, I don't know what else to try and will feel like all hope is lost. So there is a lot riding on my next scan in 2 weeks!

I hope mid April comes around quickly for you. Glad you have managed to fix your medications. One less thing to stress about during your next IVF. What's with the spotting? Is that constant since your failed IVF cycle?

I think i had one week after the period bleeding stopped and have now been spotting for several days. Im so bloated i think my ovaries & uterus cant have gone back down yet.
I booked to see gp tomorrow to see if i can gef my thyroid bloods taken as ive been feeling weird and that coukd also cause bleeding
I can see having a good ovukation the month before probably sets up the next month well (as several people get pg the month after failed ivf)

I haven't heard of people getting pregnant the month after failed IVF. Makes sense though as I know of people who get pregnant the cycle after a miscarriage. One I know even got twins from two separate eggs the cycle after m/c. So hopefully my theory is right that a good ovulation this month will set me up for more follicles next cycle when I do IVF.

I had tenderness on my L ovary for months after my Sep 13 failed IVF so you are probably right that your body has not yet recovered. I never had spotting after failed IVF though, but then again my periods are so light anyway. But no harm to get your thyroid checked though and put your mind at ease. Also good to know all is normal for if you do go ahead with IVF again.

I know that a failed IVF can be quite a blow. How are you coping - still feeling down about it or trying to look forward and focusing on another IVF cycle?

The gp agreed to check tyroid but wont test antibodies. Which is annoying as raised antibodies can affect implantation or at least make it likely you have other antibodies.
Yes i gues im focussing forward but not feeling very hopeful

That's annoying the gp won't test antibodies, With your medical issues, it would be nice for you to feel reassured that your thyroid is all okay before spending $$$$ on another IVF. Can you ask the IVF clinic to test antibodies at your next appointment?

Like you, I too am focusing forward and thinking ahead to IVF again next cycle. Before my first IVF, I was all geared up like this was the answer. But now after 3 failed IVF's and two cancelled cycles, I am not feeling excited.

I agree its annoying when spending so much.
It seems always the least we can do.. to get people to go away

Did either of you have embryo glue used? I have just heard of it and wish I known before hand so I could have asked for my one precious egg glued in :)
So is April going to be a big month for both of you?
I have started a thread about IVF vs mini IVF, its so hard to know what the right path is

Does that mean natural cycle ivf?
The hfea site only has figures for 2008 but it doesnt seem very successful.
What are the rates like now?

The figures don't look good and I haven't found an official statistic as yet but it's low. But then again my chances are already low. I think I need a donor egg to stand a real chance.
I would be happy to just adopt but hubby really wants his own and he is younger than me so he deserves that chance

Never had the embryo glue suzy. Will have to look into that myself.

I personally think that if you only get one or two eggs per IVF cycle, then it might seem a wise idea to opt for a natural cycle in the hope for a better quality egg not subjected to the stim drugs. But if what Nat says is correct; that at 40, 90% of eggs have chromosomal abnormalities, then it seems better to try and get more eggs to increase the odds of getting that 1 in 10 eggs. ut that's just my 2 cents worth and I have no medical qualification so obviously you have to do what you feel is right for you. Must be so hard feeling an obligation to hubby to give him a child.

I am in a different situation that it is me wanting a baby and knowing hubby haas 100% abnormal sperm, I feel IVF is the only way. Hubby is in denial about his weight and junk food being a problem and says the only reason his sperm is bad is because I am wanting a baby and it is putting pressure on him to produce good sperm! He wishes I would forget about having a baby all together and then it will magically happen naturally. I know otherwise, and with my low AMH, I don't have time to spend a year trying his theory to prove him wrong.

I am strarting estrogen supplements again today in prep for another IVF next cycle. This one had better work as it is pushing our relationship to breaking point. Also, just found out my sister is pregnant to a guy who cheated on her and left her and so now they are back together! I hope this IVF works so that I can cope with her pregnancy.

Sorry for blabbing. Just needed to vent after have disagreement with hubby about IVF and then finding out sister is pregnant to idiot father.

It's really hard watching friends having kids, a sister being pregnant in that situation must be really hard to deal with life's so unfair
I worry that the chromosomal abnormalities mean I have a disabled child if I do manage to get pregnant :(

I think when it comes to having a child the woman should have more say in it. I'm a bit chauvinist but it's us girls are the ones who ultimately create life so our opinion counts more. Stand your ground Shellster x

Suzy do you have a date for a review meeting?
I just saw on another thread someone who had 4 kids between 37-44 amazing.
Im some ways its harder now medicine can tell us which partner has the issues but cant necessarily fix them.
I know how you feel shell my sister is now due 2 days later than i would have been if the ivf worked this time. Im happy for her but it is too close.
I think the numbers of abnormal eggs must be averages as above some people can be really fertile still as they get older.
I think the ivf success rates are deceptive as as you get older that becomes the reason for ivf (when you are younger it can be pcos, sperm issues etc) and maybe they are less successful with that issue as less eggs etc.
I think they should show success by different issues in the statistics. Although it is all a bit meaningless as it is your own embryo quality and implantation

After all that spotting i ended up with another period so hopefully will start getting back to normal
Its more luck than anything else

Do the Dr's say you have increased chance of disabled child suzy. I wouldn't think so. I think that the embryo wouldn't implant or devastatingly, an early miscarriage. I saw on another thread you are looking into travelling abroad. So hard to know what the right thing to do is but it is so lovely chatting to you here and I wish you the best in whatever you decide.

Naty, so nice that you continue on this thread as I really enjoy chatting to you who knows the heartbreak of failed IVF and your sister is pregnant too! So finally another period and hopefully you are now back to normal. Your appointment is about 2 weeks away now?

I have read that cycles get lighter and shorter as we head towards menopause. I just had spotting on CD19 and 20. Hardly anything - like two teaspoons. So I worry this is my body's definition of a period now and have a real sense of dread that it will never happen for me. Just had blood test to see where my body thinks my cycle is at.

The whole disabled child thing is me being paranoid and pessimistic! There are no actual grounds for it at all! The women in my family are all highly fertile into their 40's and all live to their 90's so fingers crossed I have my mothers genes :D
On that basis I am trying ICSI again with my own eggs. Just found out hubby has low morphology :( We were told after egg collection but because of the sedation I was only there in body so recall nothing. I have changed my mind so many times but my favourite idea right now is ICSI in Poland. It's super cheap (about 2K) and they do assisted hatching and embryo glue as a matter of routine. They seem to be far more advanced over there. I am just waiting for my appt at the hospital to get some feedback on my unsuccessful round etc.
Shellster, do you have a plan B if IVF fails again or are you avoiding thinking like that?
I just want to thank you both for being here, I have had more support here than anywhere else. The fact that we are all planning on trying again is a testament to our strength and determination :D

I know what you mean about fertility as you get older. My family - mum had sistet at 28 or so but struggled a while for me at 32.
But my nan had accident (uncle) in her thirties.
My gran (would be over 100) had my dad over 40 and another baby the yr before who didnt make it (too big)
OH nan had 4 kids then another in late thirties.
Its good you have decided to give it another go with own eggs. 2k sounds much better.
Odd they said about the morphology but didnt go to icsi anyway. I thought you had a good fert rate though?
My sis didnt have glue but HCG injected with embryos.

My tsh result shocked me 4 (so receptionist said)
Which is awful! Back to where i was before meds. Now have to see dr to double meds arghh and then review month later.
It must have been affected by ivf (if it was this bad during ivf it could have affected result - they wanted under 2.5)

A few drs have asked me when my mother went through menopause so there does seem to be some grounds for fertility being in the genes suzy. Wow, you've really done your research in all matters now. Is your hubby open to discussing all of this or is he like mine who just wants to shove it all under the rug?

Do I have a plan B? Well, when I started this journey, I would come up with a plan B as back up so I didn't fall in a heap when plan A failed. Then when I had to turn to plan B, I came up with plan C, etc. I must be up to plan N now and to be honest, I am out of back up plan ideas! I have had some dodgy cycles lately; coincidentally every cycle I take the Aspirin. I have read Aspirin can cause this but I need to take Aspirin the cycle before IVF to double my egg rate. Today is CD4 so it's just an anxious wait to see if I will ovulate normally so I can do IVF next cycle. I am thinking if I just stop the Aspirin a few days before ovulation, then it won't affect ovulation and I won't be off the Aspirin too long so it can still do it's magic for my next cycle?

Naty, so glad you took the initiative in getting your TSH checked. The Dr really should have listened and done antibodies too! Yes, makes you wonder if this was the IVF failure culprit? Good to get it sorted now. Did you get your thyroid tested before your successful IVF? Do you think I should get mine checked too with all this IVF and dodgy cycles before paying for another IVF?

No harm getting it checked.
Though mine does seem to be a family thing.
A friend did say her friend thought ivf caused her thyroid to go.
Well mine was 2.1 before ivf last time which is a tiny bit high but it must have reacted ok to the ivf (it can affect babys intelligence and DD seems fine.
But now the tablets are managing it and im older maybe my body cant just react like it did.
I think even 4 would be ok but after another ivf it could end up as 6 which wouldnt.
They just dont want to pay to do anything properly

Do you (or suzy) know anything about Aspirin. I took it for 4 months and my cycles stayed normal. The next two cycles were 37 and 15 days long - not normal. So the next cycle I stop the Aspirin from day 4 until after I ovulate and my cycle is back to normal. But then my AFC is low for IVF the following cycle. So I cancel IVF and start the Aspirin again but another dodgy short cycle?

I really want to take Aspirin to increase my AFC for IVF, but I can only start IVF after a normal ovulating cycle. Is the Aspirin the culprit?

Could you cycle be alternating because one ovary isnt ovulating at the same time?
Or is it not true that they alternate?
Could your AFC be higher because you didnt ovulate?

If I recall correctly, I have had pelvic scans two cycles in a row and the same side ovulated both times, so I think your body just selects the strongest follicle each cycle, not necessarily alternating.

Have my appointment with my IVF Dr tomorrow to plan details of next IVF. After 5 previous IVF's, I have done much research and have a list of requests that I want to do in combination in one IVF cycle so that I can feel I have given it 100%. I am really nervous that she isn't going to agree to all my requests and I will feel like my next IVF will be a big waste of money before it has even begun. So I am nervously waiting.

When is your appointment naty? I thought it was mid April so not far away now?

How are you suzylee. Obviously a stupid question because after a failed IVF and not knowing where to turn next, obviously all is not roses. But just haven't heard from you so want to say I am thinking of you.

Shellster, I bet your a doctors nightmare because you know so much haha I do think if your paying for it you should be allowed a big say in your treatment plan though. Can't wait to hear how your appointment went :) I am praying this is going to be your turn this time.
Naty, lets hope you get good feedback from your appointment and it was just bad luck that it didn't implant. What clinic are you using for your next treatment? Its really hard choosing the right one but I do think they are all very similar with success rates etc
I'm just trying to narrow down a clinic, its really difficult as I need to consider flights as well :( then we need to ask the in laws for a loan. They have offered before but I do feel embarrassed to ask! I need to decide on a clinic today as I have started having stupid nightmares as its playing on my mind :)

Oh and I have been told the success rates with donor eggs are around 70%!! That is so tempting

I know what you mean about the nightmares i have woken up every night since the pg testing. My mind is on overdrive.
Its crazy how much difference that is with the donor eggs. Especially as the stats also seem to show only 'under 35' i wonder if the difference is that these women have nothing wrong.

I see gp today to convince them to up my thyroid dose for the ivf. I would like to get above the minimum of 2.5 (from4 at moment ) so that it can fluctuate a bit without going above the 2.5
Still waiting for ivf review appt
As im still on the metformin im getting more CM so i could be ovulating now (though LP is really short)
Just a pity the main issue is the sperm :(

I actually faxed a letter to my doctor before my appointment listing everything I want to occur for my next IVF suzy so you are probably right that I am her nightmare! I wrote it very nicely and tried to plead that I need to do this for me to emotionally move on if it doesn't work. I cried as I wrote that sentence in my letter... even the thought of having to move on is too much. Anyway, I got everything I want. Now I am just so frustrated that my cycle isn't behaving so I can't do IVF. I am day 15 and don't think I ovulated. Will get blood test in few days to confirm. For my protocol, I need to ovulate the cycle before IVF so now I have to wait for this cycle to finish and then wait another whole cycle.

So you are definitely going overseas then suzy. Is that still with your own eggs or you are still undecided. Your husband must be really supportive. I have enough trouble getting mine to the local hospital to produce some sperm for my eggs, let alone getting him overseas!

I hope you get your way with your FSH meds nat. It would mean you could enter IVF without that weight on your mind. When is your IVF review appointment?

I know I'm blabbing but one last thing. I just want to say thank you so much to you both for sticking it out this thread. Some of the other threads are a bit much where everyone is going through IVF and waiting for them to tell me they are pregnant while I am not in that position. It's just so nice to chat to those who understand the pain of a failed IVF.