British baby and toddler found dead in Spanish resort

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What a tragedy

Not clear whether an accident or not, mother being held and questioned, incredibly sad, those poor babies.

Why do people find it so hard to accept that a mother would put her lover above her children? It's horrible but it happens.

I used to live next door to a woman who was beaten by her husband and when I gave her money to get away I asked her why she couldn't go to her kids and she said he had sexually abused them so they had cut her off because she stayed with him.

'Why on earth would any woman put anyone else before her children if she is mentally sound? It just goes against everything. '

Please, again, having self-esteem and co-dependency issues is not the same as having a mental illness.

Sure, it's possible for someone with a mental illness to have low self-esteem and co-dependency issues, of course, but it's not automatic that someone with those issues is mentally unsound/ill.

Assuming that someone, regardless of gender, who murders his/her own children is mentally unsound or ill is again, a rather insulting presumption to people who are, the majority of whom would never contemplate doing what Mrs Smith has confessed to doing.

People do put their needs above their children's all the time. For many other reasons than mental illness.

For example, not all those who are addicted to drugs and put their children at risk to fuel their habit are mentally ill or unsound.

I still gave her the money because she was so cowed but she came back. I lost all respect for her after that though and we didn't speak. She had a chance and she didn't take it. She ran back to what she knew.

I was in my early 20s and an art student so not at all in a parenting mindset but even then I found it hard to get my head round. Nowadays I would struggle even more. She didn't try and fudge it - she was really open. But she was totally in the control of this bloke. What made it even stranger is that she was quite a big woman and he was a teeny little bloke - a sort of terrier sized man if you know what I mean. If she'd taken a good swing at him, she would have taken him out but she was tiny inside

Does anyone remember the thread here where the OP had a partner who 'tolerated' her children (who weren't his) and was a 'bit OTT' in disciplining them?

And when she was met with outraged responses, said that everything was just fine, he's a lovely man and it was all the children's fault.

That's how a woman can put her partner first and she seemed completely sane to me .

Why did she even have children?

Just to do that

What must have been their last thoughts...it just doesn't bear thinking about. It's like she did it out of spite.

"It's like she did it out of spite."

You could be getting nearer the truth there - an act of anger - to hurt and punish her husband?

Men do from time to time murder their children precisely because they fear they will be taken away from them. No doubt this fear pushes them over the edge. Don't often see much sympathy for them though.

The problem I have with this is not that it is easier to call someone mad than bad, but that we tend to call a man bad and a woman mad. This says something about attitudes towards men and woman which I, as a woman and the mother of a daughter, am not happy with.

I wish I had not looked at the blasted DM article today. The photographs...

How can this be published when the trial is not concluded?

I know, I know, the DM.

Please don't read it if you are sensitive.

It seems though that she believes the husband/partner to be innocent and is punishing the social care system who threatened to take the children.