British baby and toddler found dead in Spanish resort

[Ewe]

What a tragedy

Not clear whether an accident or not, mother being held and questioned, incredibly sad, those poor babies.

she Killed them rather than have them taken off her by SS.

She believes the claims against her partner are false.

A victim. Yes of course. Presumably the father is also a victim, of the mental illness that has turned him into a paedophile? No didn't think so.

According to the news he was arrested on 7th May. He was extradited to the UK on Monday and today he was charged with a series of sexual offences.

Actually it matters not whether she knew why they were on the run, although I can't imagine that she didn't given he'd escaped bail - he must have been arrested prior to them leaving the UK. But what matters is that she murdered her children. That she couldn't bear to be parted from them doesn't add up - she parted herself from them pretty sharpish didn't she?

I really don't get what planet these people are on that have sympathy for someone who murders their own children. I think it's quite disturbing actually.

I don't have any sympathy for her at all.

She also has no history of mental illness.

'was it definitely her?'

Yes. She admitted it admittedly and went back with police into the hotel room to assist with their investigation.

Clearly, murdering your children is abhorrent and evil, whatever your reasons. However, she may well have been a victim of her husband, and if she only discovered the truth in the last few days, she could have been tipped over the edge. I don't think we should judge until we know the facts.

Poor babies. I hate to imagine what their lives were like.
Shite world we live in sometimes.

Here we go . . .

I find it very hard to believe that she had no idea given this

and I'm sure there were similar stories around the time of his disappearance too......

"I don't think we should judge until we know the facts." The fact is that she murdered her children. What went before that is irelevant, whether she knew or not will surely be judged in court (if she knew there will be separate charges relating to that), but there is no excuse for murdering two small children, and it's perfectly ok to judge for that action alone.

If we go by the idea that something could tip someone over the edge and lead to them committing such a horrific crime, then essentially we are saying that any one of us could murder someone when the going gets tough and that we should be exempt from judgement.

I can only guess she murdered them (it is a fact she confessed in a letter) for one of the following reasons.

1. She thought they would be better off dead than to live without her.

1. Or perhaps she couldn't bear them knowing what her and the father had done when they grew up.

1. It could also be because the older child was being abused and she knew about it and was worried the truth would come out.

The fact she was worried SS would take them doesn't necessarily have to have been for an admiral reason. What if she was continuing to protect her husband with her actions.

I agree she can not be seen as a victim she obviously has a narcissistic personality what ever her real reason was. It is likely she will plead the first excuse though if it was really the reason I have no doubt she would have killed herself too.

"Mrs Smith is a former head of a Cumbria County Council department set up to protect children, and ran a nursery for youngsters aged three to six in Barcelona"

From the DM

[speechless]

and

"Mrs Smith said she had always believed in her partner's innocence, saying: 'The allegations were shocking. Never once did I question Martin as to whether it was true or not.
'If I had only one small doubt, I would have ended our relationship...'"

So yes, she knew what the charges were

she confessed to murdering them, what more evidence do you need before judging? or are we to assume she's so mentally ill she would confess to murder?

She knowingly went on the run with a wanted criminal. Even if she didn't know what he was wanted for (and given there were appeals etc there's little chance she didn't know), she will have known he was wanted for something - you don't just go on the run for no good reason.

""Mrs Smith said she had always believed in her partner's innocence, saying: 'The allegations were shocking. Never once did I question Martin as to whether
it was true or not.
'If I had only one small doubt, I would have ended our relationship...'""

Well we know what kind of person she is don't we. The kind of person who would rather protect a paedophile than the innocent children she was aledgedly employed to protect? I wonder if she was involved in the abuse too?

in fact how do you have that conversation? "I've been accused of sexual abuse. I didn't do it, I'm innocent." "Of course you are, I believe you, and I know you would never hurt anyone." "We can't stay here, we'll have to go on the run." "Yes of course."

Even if you didn't believe your partner could be guilty of sexually abusing a child, and yes, I can see how someone might believe in their partner on that score, but even then, you would surely want them to clear their name rather than to help them to hide from the law? The fact they went on the run cancels out any belief she had in him IMO, the instant she agreed to go on the run with him she condoned what he'd done.

Just awful - those poor poor babies. How on earth do people do these things

I'm sure a mentally ill leprechaun went into the room, murdered the children, then told the mother to go down to reception and request the staff ring an ambulance.

He's the real bad guy here.

I am so tired of people blaming depression for this.
It takes a certain kind of cold blooded nasty person to kill a child.
I don't really care about the fact that she was under stress.

If she truly believed her husband was innocent then why would she think ss would take her kids from her? Its too easy to say "poor woman - she must have been mentally ill" - to suffocate your own children because you don't want them to be taken off you is beyond belief.