Terrifyingly anti-woman law passed in Oklahoma

[SethStarkaddersMum]

I am absolutely at this.

A law has been passed in Oklahoma to force women who want abortion to undergo vaginal ultrasound and listen to a detailed description of the fetus and view the ultrasound image before terminating a pregnancy.
Even if they are rape or incest victims.

words absolutely fail me.

Oh Seth, I was reading about this last night and was utterly aghast.

A forced vaginal ultrasound? So a woman who is pregnant after being raped has to be raped again?

Words fail me too

This is utterly repellant and senseless.

Disgusting.
Words fail me

Oh they are fucking vile. What on earth is wrong with them?

oh my god that is horiffic and it has actually been passed?? Travesty.

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Although to be fair, any ultrasound before 12 weeks has to be vaginal I think because the baby is low down in the pelvis.

Thats balls bramshott I had a normal scan at 5 and 6 weeks (and I am by no means a skinny minnie either) and could see fine

Everyone here I've known who has an abortion has had to have an ultrasound.

Apparently it's to make sure the pregnancy is not ectopic and to date it to determine which procedure can be used.

I've had normal scans at 5 weeks that didn't work very well so they had to do vaginal one.

I'd never live in Oklahoma, though.

It's ugly as hell there.

I also have had an early scan that was not vaginal, so don't see why it needs to be done that way. It may be that there are good reasons for having a scan at all (per expat) but doesn't sound like it needs to be done like that. And the explanations and descriptions! That's just awful and horrible.

But leonie, how the hell would you know why someone is having an abortion? I hate the whole 'using abortion as birth control' arguement. If they just don't care about themselves to that extent, nothing is going to change their minds, you can show them all the cute little babies you want

'I'd never live in Oklahoma, though.

It's ugly as hell there'

I always thought, having seen OKLAHOMA, that it would be beautiful and pastoral. Until I saw some photos.

Sorry - I was just repeating what I was told at our hospital. Any scans I had before 12 weeks were done vaginally, and after 12 weeks abdominally, but I didn't realise that wasn't always the case.

Clearly the whole premise of the law is terrible, but it doesn't sound like the vaginal ultrasound bit is set in stone or put in for sadistic reasons, it just says "They will also likely be required to undergo vaginal rather than abdominal ultrasounds as doctors are required to use the method that "would display the embryo or fetus more clearly."

WHat this law will do is essentially humiliate, degrade, traumatise and judge women. And drive abortion back underground. Fabulous

Leonie, women aren't children. They already understand what they're doing. And if there are women out there doing what you suggest - a tiny, tiny minority who get a disproportionate amount of press, frankly - isn't it better to allow them to abort? Rather than foist a child upon them to 'show' them?

This is an evil evil nasty vile bill. The woman also has to sit through a description of the developing zygote/foetus. Also, the doctor is legally entitled to withhold information about any detectable birth defects if they choose. In the name of full disclosure, doctors are empowered to lie to women in order to make them want to continue with the pregnancy.

It's awful.

Yes, in the UK, you have an ultrasound before having an abortion, to see how many weeks pregnant you are and determine what procedure is suitable. Not sure it has to be vaginal though.

However you do not have to hear a description of the foetus or view the ultrasound image. That is quite clearly aimed at making women feel bad about having an abortion.

Do they really believe that any woman who has an abortion hasn't realised there is a foetus inside them? Do they really believe women don't think about it carefully?

FGS.

oops i posted this on wrong thread, well i bumped it anyway so you can have a look.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/oklahoma_legislature_overrides_governor_vetoes_of_two_pro-lif e_bills/ here the gov says it will likely be overturned.

i posted a while ago about legislation in utah which makes it possible to prosecute women who miscarry with homicide for procuring illegal abortions.

leonie we are talking about FORCED VAGINAL SCANS here.

Bramshott
"They will also likely be required to undergo vaginal rather than abdominal ultrasounds as doctors are required to use the method that "would display the embryo or fetus more clearly."

what that says is that getting the clearest image outweighs the possible trauma to the woman even where she is a rape victim. How is that not sadistic?

here bad posting day!

justallover already said it. Who decides if the woman asking for abortion is going to be one of the whoops-we-had-sex brigade or someone who has been severely traumatised?

All I see from this legislation is a likely increase in suicides.

I don't think if I'd been raped under sadistic forms that I could carry the baby of my rapist to term. But if I had to go through this procedure, I probably couldn't live with myself either. So the only alternative would be to jump off a cliff. Now that would really save the foetus, wouldn't it?

expat - this may be the case for people you know, but it certainly isn't always the case.

I'm really not convinced about the idea of there being women who use abortion as birth control - how do you know this?

The other part that scared me is the bit about allowing dr's to not tell patients when they know there is something wrong with the baby - truly outragous.

Yes, I see your point SSAM.