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OMG, has anybody read this about the adopted boy sent back?

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tweetymum · 09/04/2010 17:09

Just saw www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1264744/American-sends-adopted-Russian-boy-behavioural-pr oblems.html this on the news, how can anyone be so callous?

In tears now, as we have an adoption from India going through and dreading what its going to mean for us. Horrible woman!

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MadamDeathstare · 10/04/2010 21:33

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nursie999 · 10/04/2010 21:57

Pah Math, thought it was a typo, dont worry, not like its my real name!

The mother wasn't a traditional sahm either, she was a single parent, and presumably must have had some sort of support network. Otherwise why would you adopt another child?? Or is that just me?

I just don't get why she would give up so soon. It breaks my heart that a confused troubled little boy who by the sounds of it needed a lot of support, would be just handed back like a defective household item.

Is it really that easy to adopt in the state of Tennassee? And to then annul it?

TheShriekingHarpy · 10/04/2010 22:10

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MiladyDeWinter · 10/04/2010 22:16

LMHF, Jem hasn't been back though, I may have to shout her in Chat.

mathanxiety · 10/04/2010 22:22

As far as I can see, most of the children killed in the US after adoption from Russia suffered their fate within one year of their adoption. This would possibly indicate that there were issues right from the start that were never dealt with. And also, of course, that the 'parents' were completely unfit for the role.

According to this article, the US government does not regulate adoption of Russian children by American citizens Looking at the adoption agency website, I saw no mention of services available after adoption for families experiencing problems. There are links on pretty much every page to the fees charged though.

mathanxiety · 10/04/2010 22:23

Nursie

MiladyDeWinter · 10/04/2010 22:25

mathanxiety, erm - killed?

In the Land of the Free?

mathanxiety · 10/04/2010 22:27

"Russian adoption murders" article here. Sad, horrible reading.

Jemnot · 10/04/2010 22:36

@MiladyDeWinter - don't give it another thought. If I'd thought that someone was being mean and sarcastic to me without any reason then I'd have reacted exactly the same way myself! No harm done at all.

This is a terribly sad story.

I was interested in your situation too Tweetymum because my dp is Indian and we are thinking about adopting from India too.

I didn't manage to get pregnant till around my 36th birthday (endometriosis) and I'm terrified of going through labour again as I had a horrific labour and nearly died. I'm scared that the next time they wouldn't manage to save me in time.

If anybody reading this is pregnant with their first child can I just reassure them that I was simply very unlucky and that this was rare, in fact my sister is 12 inches shorter than me and 4 stone lighter and despite this she gives birth like the rest of us brush our teeth.

She'll say 'I think that was a contraction and I'll blink and when I open my eyes again she's got a baby in her arms! Her exact words (after her first child was born were 'was that it?'

So we're also thinking that if we don't have another baby naturally that we might adopt and since dp is Indian then maybe we might adopt from India. After all one of us is Indian so it wouldn't be a completely cross-cultural adoption.

I'm glad that this will not affect your adoption. I'm very excited for you, please keep us updated! x

edit: funny story (sorry I talk too much don't I!)

When I gave birth to ds, they couldn't stop the bleeding and the room was filling up with doctors and someone sounded an emergency alarm. My dp had been recording our sons first moments on my mobile phone and in the panic he dropped the phone and it kept recording. Later that night I was in my cubicle with the mobile phone and I was playing it back when I noticed a panic going on outside the curtains. The doctors and nurses could hear the emergency alarm (coming from my phone) and didn't know where it was coming from... lol

MiladyDeWinter · 10/04/2010 22:36

Had to stop reading that halfway. And I was stupid enough to think I had problems. Oh God - those poor children...

Jemnot · 10/04/2010 22:37

Milady, I was back but I was writing such a long message that it took me ages to type! lol

MiladyDeWinter · 10/04/2010 22:38

Jemnot! Thank you

LOL @ the phone going off and all the panic

johnhemming · 11/04/2010 09:07

The English Government refuses to track the number of adopted children that return to the care system.

farmerjones · 11/04/2010 13:40

sheriff says no crime committed. thats it then. child traumatized further by people supposed to help him, and thats all that happens. sheriff says they are fine.

AuntieMaggie · 11/04/2010 17:28

OMFG is anyone else as appalled as I am that most of the children that died were 3 and under? poor little mites

Greensleeves · 11/04/2010 18:07

My mother and stepfather adopted two children and fostered one while I was growing up

one of those children was already terminally ill when he was given to our family - I remember visiting him at GOSH before he came to us - yet with very little investigation they quite happily gave this vulnerable sick 2yo to a family where the existing three children all had major behavioural and self-esteem issues and had been through a messy divorce and had a new stepfather only a couple of years beforehand

following the death of that child, my mother went through a long, horrific depression (she was hospitalised at one point) and life for the rest of us was pretty appalling. It was actually the child's social worker who told my mother she wasn't "grieving normally" and needed to seek counselling. Nonetheless, about a year later this same social worker oversaw the adoption of a 5yo Indian child with severe autism, severe epilepsy and additional learning difficulties into our family. This child suffered treatment which would certainly nowadays be classed as both abuse and neglect - I won't go into lots of detail, but his upbringing included force-feeding (including his own vomit), screaming and swearing at him, leaving him stuck on the toilet all night until he fell asleep and fell off, because he was waiting for my mother to tell him to get down and she decided it was a "battle of wills", experimental "therapies" like holding him down on the floor and forcing eye contact for hours while he screamed and struggled, or pinching/slapping his inner thighs/pulling his hair to "get through to him" with pain. Once she grabbed his little penis and yanked it, ripping his skin and drawing blood.

Meanwhile the rest of the children in the family were thoroughly miserable, terrified wrecks and nobody seemed to give a shit

my mother's mental health deteriorated and detereiorated and frankly l;ife was hell for all of us. She began to come up with stream upon stream of nightmarish horrific memories of her childhood (ritual abuse, child murder, incest, satanism) and tried various therapies herself. She was susceptible to violent unprovoked rages which she would aim at anyone in her path.

they had their own little boy when I was ten - two years later they adopted a little girl from El Salvador (again, she was already in London and it was UK SS in charge). She is paraplegic, severe CP and learning difficulties and autistic traits. Her life hasn't been any better than my adopted brother's. Much less violent, but much worse neglect. The last period I was in contact with them she spent all the time she wasn't at school sitting in her chair at a tiny table in the corridor of their flat, facing the wall, with a few toys she'd clearly grown out of. My stepfather was doing all her physical "care" including intimate washing etc as my mother is too arthritic. SS did at one point come in and poke about a bit and say it wasn't ideal for him to be cleaning up after her periods, bathing her etc - but they melted away pretty quickly when my mother objected to their interference. For all I know she's still there - or maybe they "moved her on" when the money stopped coming when she turned 19, I don't know. She was 18 last time I saw her.

I remember really clearly the years when my mother and stepfather were obsessed with adopting. They had a little groups of cronies who enjoyed meeting up and poring over the "be my parent" catalogues and shopping for kids. We regularly had to watch videos and read blurbs about children - my mother would get a bit obsessed with a child for a bit - and if she went off the idea, or she phoned up and the child had "gone", she would just have another browse. Like buying a puppy. One family we were fairly close to for a while adopted three children and sent them back after about a year because they "didn't love them". I can think of various placements I saw happen which were just as outrageous as my mother being given these vulnerable children. This was in the 80s and 90s.

Greensleeves · 11/04/2010 18:08

SORRY that is so long

but it's my experience of adoptions in THIS country, so I thought it might be of interest

princessmel · 11/04/2010 18:11

Greeny that is so sad

So sorry for you and your adopted siblings.

Greensleeves · 11/04/2010 18:16

it is pretty grim

don't want to kill the thread though - please post around my monster diatribe, rather than feeling you have to read it

princessmel · 11/04/2010 18:18

But still from your story and the OP.

RunawayWife · 11/04/2010 18:20

Dear God greensleves poor you and those poor children.

It sounds as if your mother should not have been allowed to have her own children let alone be allowed to care for ill and needy children

Greensleeves · 11/04/2010 18:23

yes, it was awful

but the main point is - children who are up for adoption are SO vulnerable, it's dreadful to think that we are allowing people like my mother, or this Hansen woman, to just take them

I hope things have improved hugely, I really do, and I don't know anything about adopting now in 2010 - but I still find it shocking myself that such insane decisions were repeatedly made. My mother used to joke that these were the unplaceable kids - foreign-looking, disabled, older than babies - so the social workers would give them to anyone because it "saves the state a bloody fortune". She saw those children as her income, and her chance to play out her own sick twisted masochistic psychodrama.

I feel wobbly when I think about the families those children COULD have had.

RunawayWife · 11/04/2010 18:33
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tweetymum · 11/04/2010 19:04

Dear lord Greensleeves, how terrible for you!! So very sorry []

Yes, I find it extremely hard to take that children can be adopted by people like that, makes a mockery of people like myself and my husband who are going through a pretty intensive and stressful process of vetting before being allowed to adopt a baby who is family. I can totally understand that though, and welcome it in a way, because I know we have nothing to hide and will always love this baby like she is our own. I'd much rather be vetted intrusively than have to read about women like that one!!

Jemnot, good luck with your adoption process, its very intensive, but totally totally worth it. You need a lot of patience especially in India, but its a much more straightforward process than from Russia or China, and you will get help all the way through. DFES is the place to look for initial information and you will then need to contact your council initially for the home study and counselling process. The whole UK process is valid in India. Let me know what else you want to know and will try to respond.

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