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Is David Cameron talking out of his own back passage?

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tiredemma · 06/04/2010 10:41

On BBC 1 now- talking about how the Conservative Party will sort this country out once and for all.

Well, will they?? or is it all hot air?

Im undecided about my vote- Im a Labour voter normally but have become disenchanted by that party- but remain sceptical about the Tories.

Im unsure about DC and his crew.

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daftpunk · 06/04/2010 12:07

I think my computer is possessed...that wasn't what I linked....

Take my word for it...I could link you at least 20 reports...(if only they worked)

Chaotica · 06/04/2010 12:07

Desks? Why do they need desks? Most of the world gets by fine without them in their schools. In addition to which, why don't we just send them all out to work younger and cut out the pretence that our kids need to learn something first? That'll cure our social ills...

BTW I think DC and his crew are talking as much bollocks as I am at the start of this post.

(But some people on here will probably agree with it.)

ShadeofViolet · 06/04/2010 12:09

this article sums up how I feel about DC

wubblybubbly · 06/04/2010 12:13

Alouiseg it's the Labour Government that brought in the standards, so that everyone with suspected cancer is seen by a specialist within 14 days and treatment started within 28 day of diagnosis.

I can't comment on your situation because I don't know anything about it, but those standards have hopefully given me a fighting chance.

I compare that to the last time I had a similar scare - 3 months to see a specialist under the tories, I wouldn't have stood a chance.

Alouiseg · 06/04/2010 12:25

Thats a great commitment the labour party made but in my experience getting the diagnosis in the first place is the hard part as the Gp's like to fend us off half a dozen times before ordering diagnostic tests in case it messes with their budgets.

I'm very glad you have a fighting chance and I fully understand why you will be voting Labour.

daftpunk · 06/04/2010 12:27

Tigga;

Verry sorry, I am having technical difficulties with my links, they work when I preview them but something happens between me sending and you receiving...(sorry)

I wont risk trying again as you might get what I was watching on youtube earlier...I wouldn't be able to show my face on MN again if that happened....

Do a bit of your own research, you will be shocked...honestly.

Chaotica · 06/04/2010 12:28

Alouiseg - GPs holding their own budgets? That was a tory policy if I remember rightly... Maybe not such a good idea in the long run?

BertieBotts · 06/04/2010 12:33

For some reason is being inserted halfway through the links so they don't go to the right place. Copying and pasting should work.

I have been wondering what you all think about the policy to have compulsory reading tests at the age of 6? I'm not in favour, considering that in some countries they don't even start teaching reading until the age of 7.

Alouiseg · 06/04/2010 12:35

Budget holding per se is a Tory policy. The level of meddling and targets within budget holding is very much a labour initiative.

Chaotica · 06/04/2010 12:49

So, fund holding with no targets (and no accountability) is better? I agree that the labour system is flawed, but leaving the individual GPs to make their own rules is more flawed. GPs are medically trained, they are not economists (and they shouldn't have to pay most of their budget to hire a good manager).

cory · 06/04/2010 13:05

If the local Tory campaign is anything to go by, no. Leaflets posted through our door by local candidate claims he will support local pubs and keep them from being closed down; then by page 2 he has remembered that there are people who don't actually hold with all this drinking lark, so then it becomes an evil Labour plot to keep lots of pubs open.

Huge posters of How the Tories are going to ensure that "Every child will get a good education" are posted on entrance to an area of town where the high performing secondary school was taken away from council control by the Tory Council and given to a religious sect to run- with the effect of results and quality of education plummeting, discipline going out the window and 20 odd staff resigning within the course of a month. So yeah, we're really going to believe that.

If they can't even run a campaign in a sensible manner, how can they run the country?

atlantis · 06/04/2010 13:05

I'd like to be able to get a gp appointment, then I'd like to be able to get a referal, it took me two years to get a referal to a neurologist and i've been waiting 8 months for the appointment (for such a little thing like my legs waking up after I do), i'm sure when I get to the hospital it'll be worth the wait (not), we'll probably 'see how it goes' as thats the norm.

And god forbid someone needs a doctor out of hours (geez don't get me started).

Cameron says he will make available the drugs they have in scotland that we 'can't afford' down here, good for him.

probonbon · 06/04/2010 13:05

perhaps they'll overhaul teacher training too so that teachers want to put their children in rows

cory · 06/04/2010 13:06

Oh and the other huge poster around here is the one where the Tories believe in controlling MP's expenses. Now just remind me- whose duck pond was that?

atlantis · 06/04/2010 13:06

"perhaps they'll overhaul teacher training too so that teachers want to put their children in rows "

Lets face it education can't be any worse than it is now.

morningpaper · 06/04/2010 13:16

Atlantis we get GP appointments on the day, every time, and all teratment must now be concluded within 18 weeks. That is in the NHS constitution. If your experience was otherwise then you need to know your rights and complain.

foxinsocks · 06/04/2010 13:17

I don't like the talk of the gap. There will always be rich people. That's a fact. However, in a 1st world country we could be doing a hell of a lot more for those who are poor and i do think under Labour, they did made a good start on it, even if some of what they did turned out not to be the best way of doing things (tax credits etc.).

I do honestly believe they are all talk and no action the Tories.

Whenever I hear them talking, I see the words come out of their mouth but almost picture them holding down the right wing back bench and going 'ssshhhhhh, we just have to get in then we can do what we like'.

Sadly though, business wise, Labour did all it could to kill off the private sector and its 1% rise on employers' NI and employees' NI is so unpopular here in the business world that I wouldn't be surprised if that alone could win the election for the Tories.

Osbourne is like a little school boy who looks like he's going to wet his pants every time he gets asked to do anything. And this whole 'family' agenda will blow up in their faces the minute one of them has it off with the girl round the corner.

atlantis · 06/04/2010 13:23

"Atlantis we get GP appointments on the day, every time, and all teratment must now be concluded within 18 weeks. That is in the NHS constitution. If your experience was otherwise then you need to know your rights and complain."

The only way to get a gp appointment in my area is if you go 'emergency', then they will see you within two days, try booking ahead and it's all booked up.

As for 18 weeks, not a chance, they closed down our local hospital and got rid of staff that was supposed to move over, so they are 'short staffed one neurologist', you can't book online they have to send you an appointment, I got a letter after the alledged appointment to say I had missed it, then when I complained they sent me a letter saying I needed another referal, then when I got that they sent another letter saying, 'due to your 'condition' your not an emergency so it will be march' then another letter at the end of march and yippeee I have an appointment in two weeks time (if it's not cancelled).

I don't have the energy or willpower to complain morningpaper.

aJumpedUpPantryBoy · 06/04/2010 13:33

I love the idea of DC policing classroom layouts. I'm a Primary teacher and during the week my pupils sit in groups (sometimes ability, sometimes random, sometimes friendship) and rows depending on what we are doing. They work indvidually/in pairs/in groups depending on the activity.

I would love to see DC grapple with the room I used to work in - 30 children in a very small space - the only way to arrange the tables was in 4 groups. If you had put them in rows not all of the tables would have fitted in. I presume he is going to provide the cash to extend all small classrooms ...

probonbon · 06/04/2010 13:37

Who policed the move away from rows then? Or was it not policed? Just "best practice" changed? Perhaps that is what will happen.

I feel bemused when there is surprise that children don't pay as much attention when their backs are to the teacher: or when children sitting in a close circle with their heads together chat.

It's rather unsurprising really.

probonbon · 06/04/2010 13:42

I used to be able to go and wait for a drs appt. What happened to that?

atlantis · 06/04/2010 13:54

"I used to be able to go and wait for a drs appt. What happened to that? "

Ahh the good old days, when you were 'known' by your Dr as there weren't 14 plus locums in the practice, when he would say 'let's have a chat, what seems to be the problem' instead of ' what's wrong with you , here's a perscription for pain killers, lets see how it goes' when the receptionists weren't behind gun proof shielding ( I exaggerate) and didn't have to 'ignore' you for ten minutes while you stand in pain so they can chat/ look busy. When your appointments weren't 'timed' to ten minutes or under. When you called your Dr after hours and they came out to see you.

If anyone still has a Dr like this I will move anywhere in the country .

probonbon · 06/04/2010 13:59

are you calling me an old boot

i think you are

it's within living memory even of the baby faces on here

i don't know.. five years ago? definitely nine years ago

atlantis · 06/04/2010 14:01

"are you calling me an old boot.."

lol, not at all, anything BL (before Labour) is the good old days, and i'm probably older than you, I have two grandbabies, so there.

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