Man shot dead in Stockwell unconnected to terror inquiry

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Just seen a ticker on the BBC website saying that

exactly Caligula.

I'm just not sure how much room for interpretation there is in 'Armed police, stop'...

I disagree that his being here for 3 years would mean he understood.

I've been in Spain for 5 years, and if someone shouts something at me there is a delay of up to 5 seconds before it gets through. If they were also pointing guns at me i think I'd have run too.

If you're in a state of panic and there are 2 seconds between you hearing the words Stop Armed Police and the first bullet in your skull...

So why did he run Safu if he was innocent? (as the police have said he was).

SP his bother was asked in an interview if he spoke good english and his brother said yes very good english... but u r right in the fact he may not of heard them

Jimjams, if I knew that...

God, know I shouldn't laugh, but Snafu, that has reminded me of the Mary Whitehouse sketch about "Let him have it" - when told "Shoot him with your gun" by Rob Newman, David Baddiel says "Oh, I thought you meant in the sense of put a red bucket on your head and do a little dance"

I lived in japan for 1 year and wouldn't have understood a word of "stop armed police".

safu- don;'t you think the most likely explanation is that he didn't know they were police?

Were there only two seconds between them shouting and him being shot? I thought they shouted as he went into the station.

And does nobody want to take me up on my what if - that of there probably being armed police at the station entrance?

Isn't there the possibility that we are not getting the whole story because there is a massive investigation going on with regard to terrorism - they are clearly not going to be broadcasting all intelligence to the general public are they? The terrorists themselves will be watching the news as well!

so hunkermunker- why was he running? Don';t you think if he knew they were police he would have stopped- as - as the police have said- he was innocent.

I don't know, Jimjams! Nobody does!

No, tbh, I think after living here for 3 years and having - by his own family's admission - a good command of English, I think the probability is that would have done.

But I don't know any more than any of us do...

They shouted at him in the entrance and he leapt the barrier and ran down the escalator with them after him, still shouting presumably - there is a plan here (at the bottom) (It says "up to 20" officers but I've read separate witness accounts that said 3, 10 and 20)

His behaviour certainly suggests that he didn't understand and wanted to get away from unknown men threatening him - but we don't know, do we.

no, snafu really, I don't think he would have understood instantly. I speak good Spanish, but like I say, there's a delay.

But a delay of that long, SP? Even five seconds is long enough for him to have stopped.

STOP is a pretty universal word.

well by that time he would have been running.

Like Jimjams says, I think it would have made an enormous differnece if several of the police doing the shouting had been uniformed.

But anyway, I didn't realise they chased him so far. seems a bit pointless shooting him dead after allowing him so much opportunity to blow himself up.

Even with a word like 'Police', SP?

(This is kind of a pointless debate really, isn't it?)

Even more pointless if they really did let him get on a bus.

if it's an unfamiliar voice and they're saying something unexpected, yes.

HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW THERE WERE NO UNIFORMED OFFICERS DOING THE SHOUTING?

Hey, guess what, hunker - we don't