David Cameron's wife is pregnant

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Baby is due in September

So baby could possibly be born at No. 10 Downing street....

"Can you give examples of Tory systems for disabled people that Labour has butchered? "

It's not a case of 'tory' examples, people are conveniently forgetting the tories haven't been in power for the last 13 years, what labour are butchering now is policies they themselves put in place as well as existing services that were already there.

You can't judge the conservative party now based on what they did then, this country has changed, the people have changed, the planet has changed.

The DC has a disabled child so... thing doesn't work, as GB has one with CF so they are equal there.

The Tory approach isn't one that helps those down on their luck, it is to govern with minimal state and maximum opportunity. IME of a Tory Government (and sadly am not 19 so do have some) those who can't utilise those opportunities will suffer.

Am under no illusions that Labour isn't a god gift for anyone affected by disability either, but my own honest beleif is that it would get worse under a Conservative ethos. DH will be looking for full time work again in 2012 when he graduates and to be frank, having been unemployed under both Tory and labour Governments, I would prefer labour of the two.

Atlantis what else should we go on?

We all surely know that politicians regardless of party make random promises at election time

So what else is there?

"They spent the last Govt removing money from the poor and doing fuck all about disabled poeple."

The poor are taxed more now than ever before. Higher prices on fuel, food and .. well just about anything you can think of in real terms compared to 'before' labour.

When pensioners can't afford food and heat that's saying something about this government, like a lot of people I have to subsidise my pensioner father so he can have both ( and thats out of a shite wage).

But as I said before the conservative party are not the same as maggie thatchers government, if they were they wouldn't be doing so obismally in the polls.

My aprents are on basic pension and say they can afford what they want, their pension collapsed. I wonder if theitr luck is due to not being able to drive / run a car or being debt free? Could be. But they say they are fine (their pension were lost but not dut to political stuff, due to American law)

"Atlantis what else should we go on?"

Would you compare Blairs government to wilson's? Two different era's, two different styles, Two different times.

People can not compare Cameron to Thatcher that's like comparing an alkaline to an acid.

You have to look at the now not the past.

my parents also on basic pension and get by okay

I'm not sure how exactly you think the world has had some sort of paradigm shift over the last 13 years that makes the Tories radically evolved in their thinking from in the 90s

"Tories will bring back fox-hunting. Thats one no no for me right there. "

Yes those poor little vermin foxes, I had forgotten about them, I must vote labour so that only mandleson can go hunting and not have a whole community sustained by the industry.

"I'm not sure how exactly you think the world has had some sort of paradigm shift over the last 13 years that makes the Tories radically evolved in their thinking from in the 90s"

I'm guessing then that 'nu' labour are all red flag waving, card carrying members of the socialist party who want to take everything into state ownership and not allow people the right to own property, down with capitalism and up with big brother, or did they change under the leadership of Blair?

"Its impossible to know."

Yes, thank you, it is impossible to know, just like it was impossible to know when we all (yes me too) elected Blair into power in 97, but i'm the first person to say that I voted Blair because I knew the conservatives had had there day, they had no decent policies left, they had become stale and needed a time in opposition ( not this long ) to get there act together, which is what Laboutr have become now.

TBH Riven I would rather the conservatives reinstated fox hunting than call an illegal war in another country that will leave millions of innocent people dead as Labour have done.

Atlantis the difference is, the very left labour isn't the most recent experience (somewhat sadly).

Most recent experience is all we have to look at, everything else is controlled by a combination of media and ambition. Probably with a fair dollop of vanity for good measure.

Oh and whilst the foxes are a minimal factor overall, as a good SOmerset girl born and bred, absolutely I hate the idea of the 'sport' returning. Nasty idea.

politics aside (A Conservative government terrifies me) I think it's lovely for them. You can't always plan these things as anyone with fertility issues will tell you so it's wrong to assume this is some kind of planned pregnancy for political gain.

lol @ fox-hunting vs Iraq

I've got a feeling that might be the biggest red herring ever

"I've got a feeling that might be the biggest red herring ever "

It's a matter of personal choice really isn't it, a few little furry animals or millions of people.

I could not in good concience vote for a party that took us into Iraq illegally and killed millions of innocent people on the back of brown nosing Bush, but I can vote for a party that brings back fox hunting.

It's a case of what you can live with.

um but the tories are on record as saying that they would have done exactly the same on Iraq

So it's really Iraq+fox-hunting or Iraq-and-no-fox-hunting

The Tories would have done Iraq too, they supported it at the time - that's why they're not using it in their assault on Labour.

Yeah, maybe I am a cynic, but Cameron launching his wife as his 'secret weapon' when he knew she was pregnant suggests I'm not the only one.

"The Tories would have done Iraq too, they supported it at the time -"

As far as I am aware they supported it at the time based on what they were told by the PM ( b-liar) and the government of the day, including the governments dodgy dossier (as it is now know ), we have all since learnt the truth about what really happened (blairs love letters to george bush, the dodgy dossier, the WMD's ) and I don't recall Cameron or any other conservative saying they would have hand held bush into Iraq knowing then what we know now.

Please lets not be fooled that any party voted to go into Iraq with intentions other than self interest.
We have the weapons of mass destruction and you and I fund them.

I don't think you have to be a Tory voter to think news of a wanted pregnancy is great - especially for a family that's seen the other end of life recently. Good news.