killers of james bulger should not have been prosecuted??

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Oh okay, because they're kids they should just be left to be a danger to everyone else?

Is this woman out of her mind?
Prison isn't just about punishment, it's about protecting others!

And I don't believe for one second that they didn't know it was wrong.
When I was a kid a bully (ring leader) tried to strangle my little sister, she was evil. But even her friends (aged around 7-9) realised her behaviour wasn't right made her release her. NORMAL Kids DO know what's right.

Lulumaam - i completly agree, with most of your post.

I will however never support life for life, not only for the reasons, that killing a murderer isn't going to stop other murderers, but because innocent people have been put to death, and you can never take that back.

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intercoursethepenguin - i really hope you are joking, although how you could bring humour into this i don't know.

we stop them getting to the point of being 10 year old murderers, ideally, but obviously too late for Thompson and Venables

at no point have i suggested that they should be let off

a custodial sentence combined with intensive rehab/psychiatric help and education/schooling, followed by continued support and rehab on release

Lulumaan I know you havent said they should be let off, but you and others have seemed to protest against any kind of punishment suggested, that's why I was interested in knowing what you thought SHOULD be done.

that is also a good point, innocent people have been convicted before.. remember Stefan Kiszko?.. his pardon would have been far too late, had he been executed for the crime he did not commit

tanmu, i fully accept that if i was the motehr of a murdered child, i would certainly not be so reasoned and logical, but as i am not, i can be more objective and discuss this withouth teh visceral reaction that i would have, if my child had been the victim

have said several times what i thikn should be done
as have others

I am coming to this very late in the day but capital punishment is an issue I have a really strong view on.

I would never agree with killing another human being no matter what they have done. I believe a person who is a risk to society should be kept in prison for the protection of society and in the hope of rehabilitation. In the case of the Bulger killers this is what should have happened - they should have been kept in prison for life.

I can't actually see the end which capital punishment achieves as it is not really a punishment for the person who is being "put down" - they are given a couple of little injections and it is their family that suffers not them. Also, how would it actually help the victim of crime? It might make them feel better for a while but I can't imagine it would help in any shape or form to overcome the trauma of losing a child.

so why is it easier to empathise with the perpetrator rather than the victim? Why does supposed 'reason and logic' mean that the person who committed the crime deserves the most sympathy?

i have not said i have more sympathy for the killers

i posted lower dwon that i have the utmost empathy for the victim and their family but it is not mutually exclusive from sympathy for the abuse the killers endured too

i do not feel only sympathy towards the killers, i am horrified, appalled, disgusted and angered too.

actually i missed a word in a very important sentence !

i am sorry for he abuse the killers endured that made them this way. that does not mean i am not dreadfully sorry and feel deeply for what James Bulger endured and the sorrow his family are still enduring,

I missed the not in my origonal post.

for the record I don't agree with capital punishment either....but the sentence should fit the crime. They def should not have been released when they were. They obviously needed longer and more rehab. In fact, I actually believe they should have been in a high security mental institution.

I totally agree that it's hardly bearable to think of what Jamie Bulger went through, and what his family must still be going through.

If I thought killing, stoning, and all the other suggestions I read here might mean that there wouldn't be another Jamie Bulger, then (aside from what it would mean for the killer/stoner) maybe I might consider it.

But it doesn't. Given it does not have a deterrent effect, what would be the point apart from appeasing our wish for revenge?

So the practical reaction is surely to work out how we don't produce Thompsons and Venables any more. I agree working out what the appropriate action is, is very hard. We spend very little on trying to find out what the right action is, and even when research shows what it might be, we're not terribly willing to pay the taxes to carry it through.

Surely caring about other people is a good place to start, though. All of them, in a community, no left overs, no outsiders.

have asked for my post without the not to be edited to include the not or deleted as without the not and without the later post, it sounds like I am not sympathetic and i absolutely am towards the Bulger family.

Putting someone down doesnt have to necessarily be about punishment, you put a dog down not as to say 'here you evil git take this', you do it because theyre dangerous and you dont want them harming anyone again. As with the owners of a pet dog, they have to understand that the pet can't be kept now as it's dangerous.
If capitol punishment could be done without mistakes being made I would support it.
If one of my family tortured abused and murdered another person, I think I would actually feel more at ease with them then having to die, than if they were alive.
I don't think the family members of executed people usually suffer. Most families of murderers disown the person anyway, hence why most lifers in jails have no one.

StewieGriffinsMom - totally agree

I agree too stewie.
And I'm aware that humans aren't dogs.
I was trying to explain the logic behind some people's beleif in capitol punishment, that it's not necessaily logic based on hate and 'justice'.

I am actually finding it increasingly difficult to take the op seriously as she seems unable to listen to anyone who isn't backing up her view of what should happen/should have happened, and I think she is actually just trying to goad people. And sorry but anyone with the word "lol" as part of their username and who puts it in every other sentence I find hard to take seriously.

That aside, I see you are not from the UK op as your child is apparently in kindergarten according to another thread? So just why is it this topic bothers you so much?

'Someone's not been listening to their disney sing a' longs
"You are a human animal, you are a very special breed, for you are the only ANIMAL who can think who can reason who can reeeeead" '

huh?

Does that mean my autistic kids who can't reason very well, and one of whom may never read very well, is not human then?

Please do answer that rather than replying in inane disney shite

Nd one of the biggest reasons I am aginst capital punishment:

I have met and spoken to famillies of liers who hate the fact that their child / brotehr etc is in prison and bemused for whatever happened,

IMO capital punishment is a punishment for the family of the convicted more than the criminal: for adults with carefully screened psychiatric and special needs all-clears (neither of which happen in our system) who have murdered a child I have no iproblem with labour in prison, and whole life sentences.

That is as big a punishment as you can administer, no hope of paroole and no easy life.

However I can never support a system, even if mistakes were impossible (which can never happen, DNA not even bing all that reliable due to human errors) that punishes the family of the crimionals more than the criminal.

Oh and I see stoning has appeared too.

Some bastard stoned my ds1 last eyar, she felt that his asd meant he wasn't really human and when he stimmed and screeched stoned him for upsetting her. When he hit out to protect himself and gave her a black eye guess which child was removed from the group? (Clue: not her)

Anything that normalises such a ridiculous, hate based and aggressive act in society should be shunned by anyone with an IQ. You wouldn't allow it for a diseased dog that was biting then why for a human no matter what you thought of their actions?

Revolting.

All these ideas place those who are vulnerable at highest risk of punishment (read An Innocent Man by Grisham, not a fictioon novel) for just the tiniest glimpse into that. Read up on the socio economic and IQ statuses of those on death rows around the world. Add in poor people whoc an't defend themselves with multimilion dream team juroies, general alck of understanding the system and it's a nasty idea.

What happened to JB was horrendous, and I do think 8 years was too short, but dsismissing rehab becuase one half of the pair has apparently failed at it is jumping to answers that do not fit the facts. Randomly ;lowering the age for the two was an atrocious thing IMO. I'd rather twenty eyars tried properly than 8 years tried in such a novel way.

wannaBe
I am actually finding it increasingly difficult to take the op seriously as she seems unable to listen to anyone who isn't backing up her view of what should happen/should have happened, and I think she is actually just trying to goad people. And sorry but anyone with the word "lol" as part of their username and who puts it in every other sentence I find hard to take seriously. That aside, I see you are not from the UK op as your child is apparently in kindergarten according to another thread? So just why is it this topic bothers you so much?

Why does it matter whther or not I'm to be taken seriously as a person?
Why must debates get personal? Why can't the subject be the focus? Why must there be a witch hunt "hold up, that poster isn't acting in way I'd expect her to", who cares if I say 'lol' a lot.
I'm more worried about my point in what I say being considered, If I was here to build up any kind of serious persona I wouldn't be changing my username constantly.
And what has where I live got to do with it? Or what I personally care about?
I'm not here for you to get to know my personality, I'm here to contribute and put across different veiws to make people think.

I can't believe someone has responded in such a serious way to some disney sing along lyrics, my point in that was simply; 'we are animals'.

I have read the thread carefully and although I am somewhat taken aback at the flippant tone of some of the posts, I can only come to one conclusion.

That while I can sit here comfortably and think rational, reasoned thoughts about age of criminal responsibility and rehabilitation and so on, if it had been my baby that had been tortured, murdered and his body left on a railway line, I would not have had a ounce of compassion for those who did it. Not a shred of understanding or sympathy for their terrible home life. I would not have cared; I would not have forgiven.

And if that makes me a terrible person, so be it.

Agreed Clarissimo, 8 years was ridculous.
Infact all UK sentences seem to be incredibly light.

Pregno you opened the thread by wilfully misjinterpreting the rport quoyted

You ignore most question asked of you and dismiss those you cannot

YTou clearly don't understand those lyrics as they explain why, in the opinion of Disney Inc (may I ahve a pmsl here) why humans are superior to animals

Frankly you just are either not up to proper debate or not willing to actually enage in any meaningful way

Anjd thus I promounce this debate, by the ruloing of Peachy which affects me and only me, pointless

actually, i think it matter , pregnochick

being adult enough and mature enough to use a sutaible tone of posting when discussing a heinous crime that has sent shockwaves thorugh teh world is something oyu should think about

if i am posting on a funny thread, i'll post in a lightheared way, this is not a funny thread.

LOling and quoting disney lyrics detracts from the debate and undermines your argument

and no i don't think it makes you a terrible person to think if that was your child, you'd be desperate for blood in return, i think that is noraml, i am sure i would be the same

but whilst i can sit here, with my children safe and sound, i can think about logical conclusions that would ultiamtely protecxt us all