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killers of james bulger should not have been prosecuted??

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pregnochicklol · 14/03/2010 07:11

Oh okay, because they're kids they should just be left to be a danger to everyone else?

Is this woman out of her mind?
Prison isn't just about punishment, it's about protecting others!

And I don't believe for one second that they didn't know it was wrong.
When I was a kid a bully (ring leader) tried to strangle my little sister, she was evil. But even her friends (aged around 7-9) realised her behaviour wasn't right made her release her. NORMAL Kids DO know what's right.

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Lulumaam · 14/03/2010 14:55

i agree with highlander , and that is rehabilitation which we have been discussing

and yes I absolutely agree that the parents have to be subject to some serious scrutiny

Lulumaam · 14/03/2010 14:56

yes, you can't beat them , stone them , kill them exile them, send them to another country, lock them up forever, which were your suggestions!!

pregnochicklol · 14/03/2010 14:58

at least I had some of my own suggestions!

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Lulumaam · 14/03/2010 15:03

and we have discussed and debated them before moving on to other suggestions.

sorry for not coming up with massive penal reform suggestsions to rival execution

StewieGriffinsMom · 14/03/2010 15:12

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pregnochicklol · 14/03/2010 15:13

damn right, you should have!

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Lulumaam · 14/03/2010 15:14

i did suggest stuff erlier in teh thread, similar to what SGm has jsut posted

i think i'll leave you to it now, as i'm not entirely sure if you're being funny or not

pregnochicklol · 14/03/2010 15:16

No it's not easier or cheaper to lock them up. Prison costs a hell of a lot.

I agree with all those preventative measures, but you can't prevent a crime that's already happened, so do you have any suggestions on what should be done now, or at the time it happened?

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StewieGriffinsMom · 14/03/2010 15:22

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aarghhelp · 14/03/2010 15:39

Possibly I shouldn't have started reading this thread or looking at articles associated with this case. I am now feeling very very sad at the thought of that poor little toddler crying for his mummy. And sad also that the 2 older boys could have done this. Poor mother. Poor bystanders. I don't think demonising the culprits helps anyone, there are no easy answers.

I think that it was wrong to change the law as a political maneouvre in that way. It is difficult to set a cut off by age for responsibility, because surely it will vary from person to person, but of course the law needs a limit. Presumably that should be based on what we understand from neuroscience and psychology of how the personality develops rather than the clamours of the tabloids.

pregnochicklol · 14/03/2010 15:56

""""""They shouldn't have been identified to the press and they shouldn't have been prosecuted as adults. Thats what should have happened at the time of their arrest.
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You didn't just say anything that SHOULD have happened.
Again you're just saying what shouldn't have happened..

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intercoursethepenguin · 14/03/2010 16:00

Just started looking at this. these kids were and still are evil. They shouldn't have been prosecuted - they should have been put down.

givecarrotsachance · 14/03/2010 16:03

pregnochick just coming out in support. While I have very much sympathy for the fact that those boys had a terrible upbringing and it's awful that they were failed by not being dealt with earlier (or the parents...), in the end they made their own choices. They hung around a shopping centre for EIGHT HOURS looking for a child to take. The details of what they then did to him, slowly, cruely, while he cried and begged them to stop and let him go back to his mummy, then screamed in fear and pain, are so horrendous that I can't even think about it without crying and feeling personally so much the distress that the local people must have felt that they weren't there to stop it. What I wouldn't give to go back in time and step in. What feelings I get when I consider that could have been my baby boy. Tortured, beaten, hit, kicked, broken, killed then his tiny baby body left to be chopped up by a train.

There comes a point where a person is so damaged - irrespective of how old they are - that they need to be removed from society. Frankly, I am with the baying for their blood crowd as the person of any age - including 10 years old - who can drop to the depths of sheer evil that those two boys did no longer classify as being humans.

These are not boys who made a mistake. This isn't a joke which went too far. This isn't children who didn't know when to stop.

These were two humans who stopped being human. And there is the point that they lose their human rights.

For the sake of the Bulger family, in that poor baby's name - a baby incidentally who would now be on his way to growing up - and to allow his family to have some kind of a life themselves, if we still had capital punishment here, I'd have voted for it.

In the end, it's two lives gone, which gives the chance for the Bulgers to live theirs. That's worth it to me. They deserve it more.

cookielove · 14/03/2010 16:04

OP, i just don't understand you, after reading maybe skim reading a few of the longer post on here, i really can't see how you can talk start up such a serious debate, and then end up making jokes like it really isn't that important.

How can you be so against child abuse and then 'half joke' that you would give a 6 year old a good beating.

My honest opinion, is that they were ten, they has a very traumatic up bringing, it doesn't excuse what they did, but it can give you some understanding.

cookielove · 14/03/2010 16:06

By intercoursethepenguin Sun 14-Mar-10 16:00:05

Just started looking at this. these kids were and still are evil. They shouldn't have been prosecuted - they should have been put down.

Really, they are not animals, they were children!!!

pregnochicklol · 14/03/2010 16:14

Someone's not been listening to their disney sing a' longs
"You are a human animal, you are a very special breed, for you are the only ANIMAL who can think who can reason who can reeeeead"

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pregnochicklol · 14/03/2010 16:22

On a serious note

givecarrotsachance

Yeah I completely get what you're saying and I definately feel your reaction is perfectly natural.
I honestly think society would be better off if those who did evil things were just 'taken out'.
Why should we have to sit around worrying who or where venebles is?
And why are 90% of people in this thread concerned mainly with those 'poor children' who commited the crimes.

I'm not so scared of death that I won't rule out execution in some cases.

I would rather live in a world were even the parents of the murderers would understand and accept that the person should be taken out after doing such a thing.
In china people have the integrity to kill themselves after doing AWFUL things, and so they should.

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Lulumaam · 14/03/2010 16:26

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Lulumaam · 14/03/2010 16:27

surely it is better to try to stop and intervene before the crimes are committed than killing the criminals?

cookielove · 14/03/2010 16:29

90% of people on this thread i think you will find have sympathy for both james bulger and his family, and also for the murderers.

What kind of society would we live in, if we killed the guilty, instead of trying to help and rehibliate them.

Nothing can bring back james bulger, or undo what was done to him, but we can try and prevent it from happening again, what we need is better systems so that children like venables, and thompson, and the doncaster boys don't fall through the cracks.

Lulumaam · 14/03/2010 16:33

i would rather see massive investment in more social workers, more health visitors, CPNs , etc etc to pinpoint those who need intervention , to support and work consistently and on a one to one continous basis with families who are deprived/ struggling with illness, mental health issues, addictions etc etc

i would like to see all children protected and nurtured by society as a whole, and not written off

i would rather see that than more investment in executioners, death row systems and so on that would be a huge drain on resources, prisoners on death rown in ameria ca be there for years and years.. that is a pointless use of money

intercoursethepenguin · 14/03/2010 16:35

Cookielove - wouldn't it be better if we could identify children predisposed to this behavior at an early stage and dispose of them? In case it has escaped your notice , the world is not exactly short of children.

tanmu82 · 14/03/2010 16:38

I'm sorry, as a mother of two (almost 3) young children, the thought of what those boys did to that poor baby sickens me. And the fact that one is up for reoffending tells me that whatever 'punishment' they received, hasn't worked.

I reserve my sympathy for the family of Jamie. I have no understanding of how anyone could have committed such a heinous act. I can't understand that level of depravity. Yes, they were victims of their own circumstances, but they preyed on an innocent. And I would rather society as a whole were protected from such.

I don't think anyone here would be quite so 'understanding' or have as much sympathy if their child had been the victim. I don't think they would be quite so quick to feel deeply sorry for such monsters.

Remotew · 14/03/2010 16:38

I wasn't aware that the age of resposibility was lowered for this case. It was always 10. The mess was made by trying them in an adult court and identifying them. Totally agree they needed taking out of society and brought up in care.

pregnochicklol · 14/03/2010 16:41

Lol.
Don't say that, my little boy has no empathy at all, he beat the crap out of his doll in front of the midwife when she asked if he was looking forward to meeting the new baby.
lol :-(

Lulumaan I think all of the preventetive measures should be done that you speak of, but what do we do with 10 yo murderers?
Not let them off as mere victims themselves, surely?

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