Venables - one of the James Bulger killers - back in jail

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Not a good advertisement for the rehabilitation programme they went on. I did hear that it was in Ireland and he tried to strangle a girlfriend..........but obviously that is not based on any factual evidence, just internet gossip.

Anyhow, difficult difficult difficult

Actually MMMoo can sort of empathise with you there as we had a similar experience, only in the case of where we were the baby was in the river

Was bloody horrible though, and knowing that can quite understand your anger, though would am afraid place you in the not apporpriate to stand on their jury category becuase of it.

stolen by gypsies? wtf?

They should not have been released before they had spent any time in an adult jail.

And I wouldn't want to be on that jury and neither were any of my family throwing stones at police vans, just to clarify.
I should have hid this thread as I said I would yesterday.

' is a clear demonstration of the way the tabloids encourage us - the public - to believe we all own a piece of these people. They are all public property.'

I agree Donnie.

Great article in the Telegraph, Allidon, written by a man actually present at the trial.

It didn't occur to me that you were throwing stones (or your familt) MMMoo- theres a big difference between an opi9nion and aggressive tendencies.

Wanneba was that because of teh Ben Needham case (IIRC names correctly) who was thought to have been taken by gypsies?

I don't think Venables was a victim. Of the two, he was the boy with the history of random violence towards other children.

The other kid was mouthy and from a family known to the police. But it was Venables who had previously tried to throttle another boy with a ruler.

Bad as the other kid undoubtably was, I bet it was Venables who was the psychopath.

So was JT never a victim, was it OK for him to be abused because he was a killer?

becuase he grew into a killer sorry

Peachy I keep getting confused with the initials in your posts. Should be Robert Thomson and Jon Venables

You are making good points though. I can't say I know everything about the boys' backgrounds, but I think I'm right in saying RT had the worse home life of the two.

He wasn't abused. His parents loved him. His siblings both had special needs and he had violent tendencies - maybe he had some undiagnosed mental illness. But he wasn't abused.

The other boy was.

PreachyPeachyRantsALot no he wasn't a vitim

ah yes I got confused about which was which

the other was surely?

Not the most signifdicant victim, but a victim nonetheless

see there we go.....the criminal/murderer is now a victim!!!

2shoes, are you saying he wasn't?

Scrap that, I see you are saying he wasn't. When all the evidence points to the contrary, never mind.

2shgoes he was a victim, anyone absued is a victim at that stage

He went on to create a bigger victim and commit a terrible crime

But at the stage he was being abused not only was he not a murderer, he was a victim.

I can't see how saying that in any way justifies what he did; it is just a fact.

He was abused.

Abused children are victims of a crime.

I thought we'd established that RT was abused and JV had a loving home ?

We did Molly, but 2shoes said that the only victim (I think it was 2shoes sorry iof not) was james, therefore saying neither offender was.

I accept the other was not, and admitted I got names confused further down, sorry for that.

According to today's Times, JV's mother had severe depression and used to hit him to make him go to sleep.He was so frightened that he would arrange his toys on the bed to guard him, and he showed extremely disturbed behaviour at school.

Not the sort of loving home I'd want to provide.

I'm still scratching my head as to how the actions of a disturbed 10 year old bring out the baying mob more than if they had been perpetrated by an adult.

campion - I totally agree with your last statement.

Yeah because everyone would be silently accepting Ian Huntley being released after 8 years wouldn't they