Venables - one of the James Bulger killers - back in jail

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Not a good advertisement for the rehabilitation programme they went on. I did hear that it was in Ireland and he tried to strangle a girlfriend..........but obviously that is not based on any factual evidence, just internet gossip.

Anyhow, difficult difficult difficult

"why do people want to make up ages?" I think the point is that the law was changed specifically for these two children. So - if they had been seven, or eight, or nine, or if a seven/eight/nine yo had committed the same type of crime should the law have been changed then? Should the law reflect the crime or the age of the criminal?

Mary Bell committed hideous crimes at age eleven. Including going back to her second victim to carve out the letter m on his stomach with a razer. Yet she was convicted of manslaughter on the basis she was considered to show psychopathic tendencies. She served twelve years in various institutions, and actually absconded from the adult prison she spent a year in. Yet she was released and went on to have a child of her own.

The level of vitreol does not seem to exist for her.

Harold Shipman and Fred West both killed themselves when the gravity of what they did hit them in Jail, these two would have had the likes of you telling them they were poor little boys who didn't know what they were doing for 8 years, making them feel ok about their actions.

Maybe they didn't go to disneyland (although who knows) but they were taken to Manchester United games and on holidays abroad.
And the father that supposedly beat this kid with a gold club causing all of this horrific cycle went too at tax payers expense.
Happy days

Oh I think it does towards Mary Bell too.

My level of hatred is on a par.

Did Mary Bell get a new identity?

SGM, for all we know he's not.

Thanks Wannabe, I do swym

As I said previously, I think the fact that he has been returned to prison is proof that he is at least being kept under some sort of control. That is some comfort, although obviously there can never be peace and comfort for James' parents.

I do feel more sympathy for Denise Fergus and Ralph Bulger than for Venables and Thomson. What those parents have suffered, and will never stop suffering, can nowhere near be matched by what the boys had to live with. But of course I don't believe they should have been locked up and the key thrown away.

I do believe in second chances, although they shouldn't have the freedom to get involved in relationships with unsuspecting women. They would quite possibly be no risk to their own children - Mary Bell has been reported as being a good mother after all - but it just sits uneasy with me.

Mary Bell did yes

Trust me the people who work in these units are far from bleeding ejhart liberals: they wouoldn't survive ten minutes, you have to be a rare and good combination of bloody tough and optimistic.

Oh come on Stewie the Trafford centre on a Saturday afternoon would have done the trick just nicely but no some do gooder would have fancied seeing the game themselves. That alone did them no favors in the publics eyes.

And yes why weren't the mother and father prosecuted, far too many 2nd chances doled out if you ask me.
The only person who didn't get one was Jamie.

Oh and MMR we have a so called safe house of rpwedophiles in our community

They have all served their terms, and are under constant monitoring and assessment. Sadly one did escape in a very well pubclisied case but many others seem not to have done.

And whilst I shudder every time we drive past, I would far rather they were there than completely independent in the community.

When they get new identities, do people they get close to know what they have done?

Harold Shipman and Fred West killed themselves because they were cowards who didn't want to face the consequences of their actions. Don't fool yourself it was because their conscience got the better of them.

And yes, Mary Bell did get a new ID and lifelong protection from ever being outed.

I think there's less vitriol directed at her because it was so long ago nobody on here can remember it. The JB case is much too fresh in people's minds and that's why there is such a strong reaction to his killers.

SGM if thats true then he really did function on a par with my DS1.

Whose gonna tell me ds1 isn;t human then? Anyone?

actually Milly a lot of the evidence suggests that the likes of Shipman and Fred west often kill themselves as a means of maintaining the control they have exerted over others throughout their lives.

And again, the difference between those and the bulger killers is that shipman/west were adults.

Mary bell has been given life-long anonimity, as has her daughter. Her daughter is an adult now afaik. Who knows - they could both be mumsnetters.

His name was NOT Jamie. This may seem trivial to you but at least get the basic facts right.

Scotia

Have re read your post wrt size0's rape comments and I can see you were not defending her.
I was getting a bit irrate and should have contemplated what you said more carefully, sorry.

That's the problem with that type of extremist comment, it causes anger and friction on a thread where there had previously been thoughtful debate, and everyone on the same 'side' of that debate is grouped with someone who posts that type of shit.

shipman and west were multiple killers, shipman may have killed hundreds.

TV and JB were not serial killers.

FFS - ensuing noise and hormones.
I've wanted to watch a liverpool match for 20 years and can't get hold of or afford a ticket when I can.
But this little day out was arranged to help him cope with ensuing noise and hormones, give me strength - didn't work did it as it appears he's thumped someone.

tuiniter youa re right, I have tried not to call him that since reading that yesterday (didnt know before sorry), it was James

He was often referred to as Jamie by his mother in television interviews. I doubt she'd be offended reading that on this thread although there's plenty that would make her weep.