Proposed march through Wooton Bassett

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Initially saw this on the BBC but this link gives a bit more detail. I support everyone's right to free speech but ... dear goodness, this seems to be exceptionally bad taste. My DH is an army doctor and, during his time in a free Afgan clinic for civilians run by the army, saved many Afgan lives. He's going out there again in January. I can imagine I'd be incredibly distressed if he'd lost his life in the conflict and somebody wrote to me explaining what he'd 'really' died for. Ugh. Maybe it's just my personal bias, but I can't help feel that the proposed march is sited to cause maximum potential for violent conflict and to cause maximum hurt to those who are bereaved.

I did not call the race card Atlantis, I thought aboutit mind, but didn't. Its right tokeep restating the minority bit, because just becuase you get that there aremany who seem to not, not all bigots are on the Isla4UK side after all(and no I dont eman you,am thinking of dsomeone in RL actually as I type, the sort of person who lurksand does taht absorb only theninfo that backs up their bigoted views crap).

Had Hitler's beleifs been denied a platform, rather than been given one by election to post, it certainly would have been better yes. I've only studied Nazism very briefly, Access Miodule no more, but from what I can see allowing him to get aposition to espouse his poisomn was the biggest mistake.

As formoney- ?? funding for orgs like Alquaida are complexand there are I understand depts set up spevcialising in that; what I meant is that they should be empowered, not some drivel about AQ direct fundraising.

I can see it from both sides, the aim of the protest is to create awareness and publicity to the atrocities occuring in Afghanistan. A protest in WB would inevitably create publicity.

However it does seem to be inapropriate to stage it there as although some families do feel that their sons died fighting a pointlesss war, some dont and i would hazard a guess the second group are in the majority.

Tbh i think a major fault lies with the media, if they hadn't hijacked the events it would still be a simple symbol of respect by a town but it has unfortunately become political and so will attract unwanted attention like this.

I think that is perfectly right that they are allowed to plan a protest, that is one of the benefits of a free country. THe police may decide to ban WB as the venue (i predict this will happen) and as long as thi
s is an unbiased decision based upon the protocols and guidelines any other protest would be judged against then that is perfectly right too.

What is happening in Afghanistan is pretty awful, so i can understand people wanting to bring this to the publics attention.

Wrt to the poster who suggested we just ship off all those who have opinions with disagree with, i think this is a poor idea, it is worth bearing in mind who funded the Taliban and allowed them to be in power originally. We created this whole scenario.

';it is worth bearing in mind who funded the Taliban and allowed them to be in power originally. We created this whole scenario.'

Not entirely. We are not responsible for the population explosion in Muslim countries, for the lack of industry and opportunities for young men to do something with their energy.

Islam as practised in some parts of these countries provides little for many of its citizens. Education is based on an extremist view of Muslim teachings. They look at what is available in the West and they feel envy.

The result is a huge young population with no opportunities. In that respect it's not dissimilar to Germany pre-Hitler: lots of young men with grudges looking for a cause.

Its a shame that people can't see the bigger picture I have good friends who are muslim who are eqally appalled by the behaviour that has happened in Afganistan and in the name of "Muslim faith", its the same as the BNP they are the extremists as well they should be equally treated so should we deport the BNP members because they have different views from the majority?

Others have pointed out lots of muslims are 3rd or 4th generation and some people (like a two good friends of mine) have converted to muslim faith (my friends converted for marriage so they could marry the ones they loved )

It would be overly controversial to do this in WB, just because of the way it is used, the press have made a bigger deal of WB than it was intended it was initially just a town respecting war heros (they are referred to as hero's as they are carrying out tasks of our government whether we agree or not isn't relevant they have given up there lives).

The have the right to protest but WB would be inappropriate imho. They are extemist so they should have controlled right to protest, if they were I don't know the muslim council or something then it would be different as they wouldn't pick WB they would pick a peaceful location and a peaceful protest....

As far as I know, service men and women killed in action have always come back via RAF Lynham (at least since the Iraq war).

Without knowing the procedures, am guessing that the families would take the body from nearest funeral home which would be Wootton Bassett?

The 5 or so miles in between has become a mark of respect, and in my opinion, is the very least that any person with an ounce of compassion would do; pay respect to someone's son/daughter/father/mother who died after being sent by one's government regardless of one's opinion about it politically.

The parallel would be a British protest along a Muslim funeral procession in Afghanistan.

" its the same as the BNP they are the extremists as well they should be equally treated so should we deport the BNP members because they have different views from the majority?"

Ahh, now it's not the same as the BNP.

While I detest the BNP and all of what they stand for (not just their racial crap but their policies on family etc)they do have elected members (voted for by knobheads none the less) and so they should be allowed air time.

How many people on here claiming this group of extremist should be allowed their say were claiming the BNP should not be allowed on question time I wonder?

The point is, if we ignore them, as I said above, we allow them to fester unchallenged in our communities breeding their hate, distorting the facts and spreading their vile agenda's, this is what happened with the BNP.

Would I deport the BNP? No actually I wouldn't and not because they claim to be the white forefathers of this country and so it's 'their' country ( we all came down from Africa after all) but because as far as I am aware no matter how distasteful their politics are they do not blow people up, they do not finance bombers who do blow people up.

"its a teeny minority. Please don't tar all muslims with the same brush."

I agree it's a minority. But the problem is that the majority don't seem to be speaking out against them. Yes people say "not all muslims think like that" and of course they don't. But why aren't their leaders publically distancing Islam from these extremests? These people are carrying out their protests, are spreading their hatred and more to the point, illing themselves and innocent people in the name of your religion. If muslims don't speak out against that, don't express the opposition to sharia law being introduced in this country, don't start openly criticising the actions of these extremests, then it's hardly surprising that Islam is being tarred with this reputation. It doesn't matter if they're the minority if they can and do cause the greatest impact.

killing themselvess...

Good question Riven, and one which you're probably more qualified to answer than many of us.

just a million more votes for the BNP if the march goes ahead....

ah well, then you wouldnt need to kick out anybody they would be paying their own airfares to leave

The BNP will be loving this.....run up to the election and everything, I can see them writting their election broadcast as we speak, they will get votes over this....brilliant!

come on BNP....kick these fuckers out...

Deffo Riven.....not sure what these muslim extremists think they're doing....?

If this march goes ahead it will guarantee votes for the BNP...that is a certainty....

" Daily Mail will have a field day too."

Actually the daily mail seems to be the only paper putting the moderate muslims side of things.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/100-000-people-Facebook-protest-Islamic-extremist-march-mil itary-town.html

Whilst showing that 172.600 people have signed up to a facebook page protesting the march.

"Muslims are not a sodding race."

Race; subspecies: (biology) a taxonomic group that is a division of a species.

taxonomic; taxonomy - a classification of organisms into groups based on similarities of structure or origin etc .

Scientifically speaking.

"Hate preacher" Anjem Choudary......that's right....

So...I wonder how many anti-fascist protestors will turn up...?

or do they just turn up when Nick Griffin speaks...

yeah, of course they do...because they're all wankers..

" I doubt chinese muslims, english muslims and pakistani muslims see themsleves as the same 'race'. Religion yes, race, no."

Well Raven, I wasn't speaking in the 'common' usage, God squad's should all be termed together.

Race is a very, very dubious construct, scientifically speaking...

And even if you are going for that definition, do adherents of Islam have a 'structure', or 'background'?

"Islam have a 'structure'"

I would say they more than any other religion have a structure, yes.

But not scientifically...