Proposed march through Wooton Bassett

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Initially saw this on the BBC but this link gives a bit more detail. I support everyone's right to free speech but ... dear goodness, this seems to be exceptionally bad taste. My DH is an army doctor and, during his time in a free Afgan clinic for civilians run by the army, saved many Afgan lives. He's going out there again in January. I can imagine I'd be incredibly distressed if he'd lost his life in the conflict and somebody wrote to me explaining what he'd 'really' died for. Ugh. Maybe it's just my personal bias, but I can't help feel that the proposed march is sited to cause maximum potential for violent conflict and to cause maximum hurt to those who are bereaved.

"BadgersPaws...the BNP will never be running this country...not in my lifetime anyway, so what they say about the married mans tax allowance is totally irrelevant."

You seem to have already persuaded your H to vote for them.

Suppose many other people do too.

Suppose they actually get in.

Bit late to then look a young girl in the eye and say "whoops, sorry for taking away from you the chances that I had, I only meant to do it as a protest."

It would be better DaftPunk if you perhaps stood as an Independant MP. Then you would be able to make a sound protest, in the houses of Parliament, rather than voting for a party that has some very very dubious policies and some down right illegal attitudes!
You are an intelligent person who is very able to make a sound argument and discuss it rationally. You are also, by the sounds of it, very persuasive.
So why dont you consider making the changes you want from the inside, rather than joining a group which will only end in failure?

'99% of BNP voters will vote for them because they are sick of the islamification of this country, they don't want groups like Islam4UK living and operating here'

Well personally, I don't want groups like the BNP living and operating here but unfortunately that's the price you pay for living in a free and democratic country.

Am at your comment that multiculturalism hasn't enriched your life, but as Riven said, no point even trying to open your eyes on that rich aspect of this country.

Did anyone hear Anjem Choudary on the Today programme yesterday? He said precisely that he's holding his march in Wootton Bassett because he wouldn't get the publicity anywhere else. So the media have played right into his hands...

Did he admit to being on the receiving end of full state handouts even though he is a qualified solicitor?
Doesnt like it here but happy to take our cash

You can't win really.....the march is in really bad taste and shows an absolute lack of respect. It is designed to create a reaction. Everyone has a right to free speech and protest so however abhorrent this is democracy. This is what sets us apart and we must be above such tactics. It makes me sick to my stomach that this will play right into the hands of the BNP who will use this fodder for their hate campaigns and propganda.

ronshar;

I'd prefer to help the BNP tbh, they have a lot of support in this country so I'd rather work with them (and they do need some help)

I like alot of what they say, but some of their policies need fine tuning, and they need better PR, but you would be suprised at the jobs some of their members have...just a shame I haven't been to Oxford or Cambridge....

Still, NG might take me on board...could be his spin doctor...ha ha

who knows, maybe one day....

I see, you want to be NG's girl friday

You are right they do need a lot of help.

I would be interested to know if NG is a real Holocaust denier or if it is just part of a big plan to get as much publicity as they can?
Like Islam4UK not actually applying to march through WB but telling the press they are going too just to see the hysteria it creates!

Oh he's a nasty piece of work no doubt about that, and the march is in extremely bad taste. Feel very sorry for the people of WB that their - I think - dignified and sensitive reactions to the soldiers' coffins have been hijacked by this extremist opportunist.

NG is ok...honestly...a very intelligent man.

Riven..I don't hate muslims or homosexuals....

y'know...I love dolphins...but I dont want them in the bath with me....

"Nick Griffin and Choudhary seem cut from the same intlerant mould"

I agree. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. The BNP and Islam4UK have so much in common they should join forces. They both hate women, homosexuals, deny the holocaust, believe in public flogging and seem intent on forcing their ideals on others. It would make sense for them to combine the two parties. But no that wouldn't really work would it? They are really both in it for the punch up. They are football hooligans with master degrees. Social Misfits.

Riven I do not for one second agree with a single thing that DP has written. What I wanted to point out to her was perhaps she should use her passion and put it to better use than waste it with the BNP.
Perhaps the people who are prepared to vote for the bnp should be asking what the bnp would plan for the economic situation we are in, or what should be done to cull the waste in the civil service NHS etc? Then we could all see what they would actually do given the opportunity.
I suspect make a mess!

don't tell me DP, some of your best friends are Muslims and homosexuals right?

wrong..

"NG is ok...honestly...a very intelligent man."

Someone who denies historical facts is not "very intelligent".

They're either a liar.

Or an idiot.

Or both.

"I'd prefer to help the BNP tbh, they have a lot of support in this country so I'd rather work with them"

OK well that pretty much settles it.

If they ever get anywhere near power and some of their policies are put into force and some young lady asks DP why she doesn't get the same opportunities as a young DP did the answer will be "well I didn't just vote for them as a protest, I preferred to help them."

Sigh.

Years of advances given away as the "price" for standing up to people like Islam4UK.

Are they really that much of a threat that we need to roll our society back to the sexist straight jacket of the 1950s?

Well DaftPunk might be willing to sacrifice the futures of women in this country but if you're not then don't ever vote, support or help the BNP.

You can welcome immigration and immigrants without wanting a multi-cultural society.

You want to live here, you fit in with our culture. That's what my mother did when she immigrated here over 47 years ago. That doesn't mean that people can't enjoy their own traditions but it does mean that we make it clear that the liberal humanistic/Christian culture is the one that will predominate here. It seems to have worked quite well since the Enlightenment, helping inter alia to abolish slavery, give universal suffrage, stop children going up chimneys, institute decent employment practice etc.

I am quite happy with the indigenous culture of Great Britain. I don't see a reason to change it.

I think that is the case isn't it abra1d, that the liberal humanistic/Christian culture is the one that dominates here. Otherwise we wouldn't enable immigration in the first place surely?

I don't think that's at odds with a multi-cultural society though - Jewish, Polish, Irish people all contribute to a multi-cultural society as well as Muslims.

Agree abra1d, think you've got it spot on for a lot of people with that post.

I used to think that Nick Griffin was inteligent, something which I found quite scary.

And then he appeared on question time. And I thought, what an idiot.

WannaBe;

The treatment of NG on question time was totally unfair, he was never going to come out looking good....don't forget he isn't an accomplished liar like Jack Straw...NG just tells it like it is....he hasn't got the talk most politicians have, but that doesn't make him thick, just makes him human...

Riven.....some people want to see nothing but bad in the BNP, they look for things that arn't there...I'm not denying they have a dodgy past...but NG is working really hard on move on...he wants power, he knows the only way to get it is to appeal to more people, yes, the National Frount were pretty hard core, but that was years ago, you have to give the BNP a chance..they are evolving

Don't forget the Labour party have completely changed, they were born out of the trade union movement...now they wouldn't know a strike from a dinner party....they sold their soul to get elected.

As someone who hates the BNP Nick Griffin depressingly came off the best of all the panelists on offer that day. The rest of them worked themselves into a competitive "disgust" off, with every answer preambled by "well i am even more opposed to the bnp than my opponent...", to the point where even when one was asked something which had nothing to do with the BNP or Nick Griffin avoided the question and resaponded with something along the lines of "well I'm not sure what the solution is but I'll tell you what it is not..The BNP."
It's the only time when I've seen QT with such a stacked audience and the whole thing was treated like a fucking panto complete with comedy booing and incandescent cheering to even the smallest point from anyone on the panel who wasn't Nick Griffin.
The thing to do was to let NG talk and allow his disgusting and idiotic opinions hang himself, instead they shouted over him and he didn't come off nearly as badly as he should have. Instead it gave him more of the same old ammo to go back to his supporters with along the lines of "see it was a stitch up/ we're the put upon victims/ they wouldn't have treated any muslim spokes person in that manner." and he was even able to score some points on the other panelists and audience in the middle part of the show because they decided to abandon logical thinking and reasoning for the chance to show how moralistic and opposed to the BNP they were.