Proposed march through Wooton Bassett

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Initially saw this on the BBC but this link gives a bit more detail. I support everyone's right to free speech but ... dear goodness, this seems to be exceptionally bad taste. My DH is an army doctor and, during his time in a free Afgan clinic for civilians run by the army, saved many Afgan lives. He's going out there again in January. I can imagine I'd be incredibly distressed if he'd lost his life in the conflict and somebody wrote to me explaining what he'd 'really' died for. Ugh. Maybe it's just my personal bias, but I can't help feel that the proposed march is sited to cause maximum potential for violent conflict and to cause maximum hurt to those who are bereaved.

Riven...just getting back to you re; you asking me why any woman would vote for the BNP...i'm assuming that's because you think the BNP are anti-women..?

Not really sure why people think that, the BNPs first elected leader of a council is a woman..so this woman hating thing is all abit of a myth..

Not sure the BNP actually have a policy on "women"...does any political party have a policy purely on women..?

Will catch up with the rest of the posts later, but in the meantime.

SpeedyGonzalez it was you who compared a terrorist blowing up a marketplace full of innocents to a a British soldier accidentally killing a civilian.

TheFallenMadonna >>What you're saying about collective identity onagar does make me think of people who vote for the BNP but then object to being referred to as racist...>>

Yes in part. Of course it doesn't mean that ALL those BNP voters are in favour of deportation any more than it means that ALL muslims want to blow up markets, but even though someone may be a good and decent person they must expect some doubt and distrust from their neighbours if they admit to belonging to these groups.

I've heard muslims complain that they are singled out when searching for explosives (tarring all with the same brush) Well of course they are. What did they expect?. If there was a racist attack we'd look at the nearest BNP members wouldn't we.

Also even though you might not approve of the extreme views in your group you ARE lending them some support just by joining the group and you should take that into account.

The most famous, and jaw dropping, example of the BNPs attitude to women is Nick Eriksen who was a candidate for the London Assembly.

He said the following: "Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal.

To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence.

A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched."

Go back and read that again, he really did say that.

Now to be fair the BNP did sack him after that outburst.

However in the past he's said things such as the following without the BNP seeming to have any problem with him.

"Some women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly." (2005)

Mothers "should never go out to work" and career women are "unnatural and vile" (2005).

Meanwhile Lee Barnes the BNP Legal Director saud that "modern" women were "self loathing", "sexless" and "androgynous" monstrosities. Furthermore "breastless" women mock the "female nourishing form that gave her and gives our race its life."

Nick Griffin has also set the party out as being anti-abortion, he's tried to attract Catholic voters with that: "If there is any plus for us in meeting Life League and highlighting our opposition to abortion, it is that it chimes with the feelings of many working-class Scottish Catholics"

They're also in favour of "Married Man's Tax Allowance" with seemingly no similar thing for a woman, so they'll be setting up a tax system that'll put women in a position where they'll be more likely to stay at home.

You can read the BNP's family policy here: bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/FAMILY-LAW-WHITE-PAPER.pdf

Oh and they don't like gays either, they'll repeal the civil partnership laws.

pretty much any communist is someone who predicts the downfall of the government - but communism is not and should not be illegal - i think the government has gone too far along the lines of allowing the punishment of talk without substance - saying 'down with the governmnt' should be ok - actually plotting to make that happen should not be.

The BNP has attracted alot of catholics, not really sure why, but will guess it's because they are the only party who will say civil partnerships are a joke...alot of catholics agree with that.

Of course if you trawl the internet you will find loads of stuff said by BNP members....but like you say, NG sacked that idiot.

And if you think there arn't men in other political parties who wouldn't think some of those things...you are deluded.

PS;

Quite a few muslims are homophobic.....did you know that...?

I think this is total disgusting. The fanatical islamic preacher Anjem Choudary who wants Britian to operate under strict Sharia Law with all woman forced to wear burkhas should be put on a plane out of Britain as soon as possible, I see he is living on benefits in a £350,000 house - its bloody outrageous that these kind of people are getting away with promoting such filth. I see it wasn't so long away when he was flouting the Sharia Law when he was a student and was enjoying his pints! I have no problem with Muslims at all who just want to live their lives peacefully here but I do have a problem with people like Anjem who are trying to change our way of life - we sure as hell wouldn't get a chance to protest about our views in any Muslim country. He is what is making more people vote for BNP in my opinion and it is about time the British People took a stand and started bringing this country back in line. How dare he compare our tropps in Afghanistan to Nazi War Criminals

The BNP didn't sack Nick Eriksen until the press started making a fuss about what he had been saying.

Yes there are certain to be other sexist idiots out there in other parties but for the BNP to have so many and in so senior positions would appear to suggest something.

Griffin himself has called the idea of gender equality "feminist poison".

I'm sure that there are many other groups who are either homophobic or misogynistic and seeing a woman or a homosexual supporting them is like watching a Turkey vote for Christmas.

I was talking about this last night with my dh and my dc.....my dh is a very laid back liberal person..(total opposite of me)...but he said if this march goes ahead he will probably end up in prison....they wouldn't get passed him...

He will now be voting BNP....he knows they are the only answer for this country...

"How dare he compare our tropps in Afghanistan to Nazi War Criminals"

It sounds like Nick Griffin should get together with Anjem Choudary, they've got quite a bit in common.

Nick Griffin has compared the Generals of our Army to Nazi War criminals too.

He's also called RAF Bomber crews from WW2 murderers.

Then there's the whole fear of women and homosexuals, they could talk for hours and really bond!

Nick Griffin said he finds homosexuals creepy....so what..?

he's allowed his opinion.

I never see gay right activists campaigning outside mosques...why not..?

muslims are homophobic

"he knows they are the only answer for this country..."

I wouldn't trust the BNP to give the answer to a phone in quiz on This Morning yet alone anything heavier than that.

They'd certainly fail a history GCSE.

Ha Ha....

It's people like you who are the joke, you say you don't like the BNP because they're homophobic and hate women...yet you welcome muslims into this country...

I can't stop laughing at you...

daftpunk: people are entitled to their opinions - in this country you are free to express what you think & feel - you do well to remember that and not abuse anyone who doesn't have the same opinion as yourself.

I'm happy with there being all sorts of views and opinions in this country, I was one of those who argued against the BNP being banned from Question Time.

I'm happy for anyone with any view to raise their voice and to say that "society should be this way" and to try and get society to change.

I may not agree with those ideas, I reject those of both the BNP and Islam4UK, but they've got the right to say them. "I may not agree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it" as the saying goes.

You can't argue that the BNP are OK because Islam4UK are as bad as they are.

In the end if you have any daughters then you are going to vote for a party that will give them less choice in life than you've had.

If you have any children you are voting for a party that will give them less rights than they would have right now.

And that's just with the policies that the BNP admit to (married mans tax allowance and repeal of civil partnerships) yet alone what they might actually do if they did get into power.

Willingly making the future worse for a daughter or homosexual child, because of loons like Choudary who seem to have even less support than the BNP, that just makes no sense at all to me.

Sorry, that should have read:
"If you have any homosexual children you are voting for a party that will give them less rights than they would have right now."

Is there not an argument that voting for the Labour party agin is going to give away those rights and opportunities just as surely as voting BNP?

The Labour party has singularly failed to protect this country from the like of the BNP, Islam4UK, Al,Queda (cant even spell).
They have also directly led us up the path of credit, loans, HP etc to the point where now the country is bankrupt.
It is very easy for them to say the Conservative did it, which is what Labour always say when they make a huge mistake, but how long have they been in power now? How many time did they have the opportunity to make the banking system safer for all of us???

It is very easy for us to sit here and say that voting for the BNP etc is morally wrong but take a hard look at the choices avaliable and find a party who are clean!

BadgersPaws...the BNP will never be running this country...not in my lifetime anyway, so what they say about the married mans tax allowance is totally irrelevant...99% of BNP voters will vote for them because they are sick of the islamification of this country, they don't want groups like Islam4UK living and operating here. By supporting the BNP I am protecting my childrens future (hopefully)...this is a christian country, that needs protecting, I want to go to Devon for a hoilday and see old churches...not Mosques.

I don't really want to live in a multi-cultural society....what good has 2 million muslims coming here done me..? how has that enriched my life..?

Always happy to be put right Riven..

name me a muslim country where homosexuality is welcomed and they are allowed to marry

Oh come on. Bit of an over reaction there as far as wanting to visit churches rather than Mosques? Why do people have to choose?

In my world there is room for both.

There's "clean" and then there's voting for a party that will make any daughters of ours lives worse.

What kind of protest is that?

Bear in mind that this is just looking at a few of the policies that they have admitted to (married man's tax allowance, removal of anonymity for rape victims, the removal of single parent allowance, housing and Council tax benefits and the right to be housed for single mothers unless divorced or widowed).

As if that's not bad enough then stir into the mix that senior members of the BNP appear to have very sexist attitudes and that they've all been instructed to be very careful about saying what they want to do until they actually get into power and just wonder what else they might do to women in the future.

Even worse what if you're children are homosexual?

And as said all of this because of fear of groups like Islam4UK who stand far less chance of changing our society than the BNP do.

Oh...so when muslims come and live here they leave all that homophobia at the airport do they...?

well...I didn't know that...

Thanks Riven..