Proposed march through Wooton Bassett

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Initially saw this on the BBC but this link gives a bit more detail. I support everyone's right to free speech but ... dear goodness, this seems to be exceptionally bad taste. My DH is an army doctor and, during his time in a free Afgan clinic for civilians run by the army, saved many Afgan lives. He's going out there again in January. I can imagine I'd be incredibly distressed if he'd lost his life in the conflict and somebody wrote to me explaining what he'd 'really' died for. Ugh. Maybe it's just my personal bias, but I can't help feel that the proposed march is sited to cause maximum potential for violent conflict and to cause maximum hurt to those who are bereaved.

Tragic, sinister, and I talk pseudo psyco bollocks..

...and i've only been back for one day!

noddyholder.....i'll miss you..

I suspect the people recruiting, training and arming suicide bombers don't see them as freedom fighters, though. Suspect their motives are far murkier. Money and power for starters.

So you ARE saying the terrorists have a right to kill innocents because they are war with us?

Fine, but if war it is then enemy 'soldiers' on our soil should be shot on sight and sympathisers interned for the duration. That will simplify the protest march issue.

I've said before I don't want our soldiers in other countries anyway. Let them all kill each other if they want. Which is what happens when we are not there anyway. I'm tired of the myth that they were all living in paradise before we spoiled it.

So bring them all back. Bring back the soldiers to guard our borders and bring back the food to feed our people. Let allah sort the rest out.

Most of the Muslims killed in Afghanistan are actually killed by other Muslims.

Why don't they march in protest against the treatment of women by the Taliban?

EEjits.

"When it comes down to it it is an illegal war"

Are you talking about Iraq or Afghanistan?

Afghanistan was/is a "legal" war and we're there because of our obligations as a part of NATO.

Iraq on the other hand is a different kettle of fish...

Well NATO did invoke article 5 which I think means that it saw the attack on teh US as an attack on all NATO members which in itself has been open to debate.I am not sure obviously but the whole thing is a mess and culturally we are all so different that negotiation seems impossible

We are there in Afghanistan because we are obliged to do what the NATO treaty obliges us to do.

What lies did Blair tell to involve us in Afghanistan?

No as I've already said, Iraq on the other hand...

If you mean Iraq then I have nothing but contempt for Tony Blair and the other politicians using this situation for their own ends. However let's not forget that the earlier war there was started by Iraq invading their neighbours. We were on the side of the good guys that time and the later war was an extension of that since it never really ended properly.

Those supporting the rights of muslims to kill ordinary British people because of Iraq/Afganistan must logically agree that Iraqi citizens deserve what they get for their earlier invasion.

Or if you think Iraqis are not responsible for their leaders actions you must think it wrong to kill ordinary British people for their governments actions.

With Afghanistan there was very clear evidence that the Government was harbouring and supporting the organisation responsible for a very large terrorist attack on the US.

The other countries aren't on the same scale. It's debatable how functional their Governments even are.

I'm not saying that the war is going well, or that we haven't made huge tactical and strategic mistakes both politically and militarily.

However we went there for clear and legal reasons.

Riven, It was suggested that it was justified further back which got me riled up.

But since you mention that Islam is so against killing can I ask what a fatwā is. I thought it was when a leader (one of those leaders that further back we were told doesn't exist) tells muslims to go out and kill people for the glory of Allah.

"fatwa"

MN didn't like the special character

Well those scumbags who shouted baby killers at our troops are in court for the next seven days, at the tax payers expense, lets see what kind of 'justice' will be handed out to them?

A slapped wrist perhaps?
Community service so they can continue to spout hate and warp minds?

Deport them, or intern them.

That case is just more ammo for the BNP atlantis....

I don't care what people think of the BNP...they are the only party who will stand up and say they want muslim extremists out of this country....they would change laws to get them kicked out..they will stand up and say they don't want anymore islamification of the UK, they will put UK born people first, they wont take anymore crap.....

you come to this country you live by our laws or fuck off.

For those reasons I am more than happy to be associated with the BNP.

'fatwa'= any edict issued by an islamic scholar...there are multitudes of them on every subject from breastfeeding to libel.

like any religion, there is not a single body of opinion on what is/is not acceptable.

'live by our laws or fuck off'

our laws protect the freedom of speech DP.

countries that enforce the above doctrine include....China, Myanmar, North Korea multitudinous other piss-poor countries under despotic rule. some of them don't even allow you to fuck off if you disagree.

not good compny to keep?

Yes different Muslims follow a different Islam. Therefore for a Muslim to say "oh Islam doesn't support that' is meaningless because for some Muslims it does.

Of course most Muslims are decent ordinary people, but we can't ignore the fact that there is a part of Islam which is violent and dangerous.

It applies to the Christian church too of course. Right now the Christians are not openly raping and pillaging on a large scale, but they have committed their share of atrocities in the past and the actual raping part (small children) is still going on. Ordinary Christians hate being lumped together with the other kind, but that's what you get for joining a big group of any kind. You gain the credibility and support of being part of this huge wave of people, but find yourself held responsible in part for their actions.

What you're saying about collective identity onagar does make me think of people who vote for the BNP but then object to being referred to as racist...

What...?

because I smoke a bit of dope you want me deported..?