Proposed march through Wooton Bassett

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Initially saw this on the BBC but this link gives a bit more detail. I support everyone's right to free speech but ... dear goodness, this seems to be exceptionally bad taste. My DH is an army doctor and, during his time in a free Afgan clinic for civilians run by the army, saved many Afgan lives. He's going out there again in January. I can imagine I'd be incredibly distressed if he'd lost his life in the conflict and somebody wrote to me explaining what he'd 'really' died for. Ugh. Maybe it's just my personal bias, but I can't help feel that the proposed march is sited to cause maximum potential for violent conflict and to cause maximum hurt to those who are bereaved.

Riven - I hope you're right. No good can come of it, IMO.

Riven...Muslim leaders need to do more to keep these extremists in line....but they don't do anything....why don't muslim leaders, and I mean all of them, come out and say this (proposed) march is wrong..?

But you're right...all Muslims4UK (wtf.!) have done, is stir up more hate of muslims.....

and it was pretty bad before

I don't know anyone who hates muslims and anyone with a brain cell could see through these people but as NG himself said his electorate aren't the most intelligent so it is a worry because those without the skills to look at the big picture will use this as fuel for their ridiculous fire

if catholics were planning to march I would expect the head of the catholic church in England and other catholic leaders, to come out and say something...

Who is your top man here...?

you must have one

Don't worry noddyholder, you just carry on welcoming these people into our country...I know how much you love diversity...even when it's sticking two fingers up at you...

"What do you suggest we do?"

Well people didn't like the idea of deporting them, but in world war 2 we inturned anyone thought to have sympathies with the nazi's, we are at war, so maybe with people who spout this evil we should inturn them, that stops them preeching hate, stop them being a danger to society.

And no we don't need to inturn all muslims, before some bright spark chirps up, just the ones on the watchlists.

Lol at the bloke on Sky News.

"Ya know wha' I mean like, 'innit?"

If that is the face of muslims4uk I would imagine most muslims are mortified.

DP you are really the very people he has managed to attract which says it all.

yeah, and you're just the type the Labour party like....spineless arsholes who will only shout their mouths off at poor white people.....

How very big of you...

labour?Wow psychic now DP but sadly wrong.Lets just avoid each other I find you tragic and a little sinister tbh thought you nwere a troll who might choke on her mince pie and not return but hey ho.......

you wished me dead...?

Using the leaders of the catholic church as examples of positive leadership given recent goings on doesn't really lend a lot of weight to your point of view

Sorry, haven't read whole thread.

I don't know anything about the group proposing this march, but I do know that the media regularly overuses the word 'extremist' or 'fundamentalist' when describing religious folks, so just because they call them extremists doesn't mean that they actually are a bunch of vicious nutters (that's my criterion for being a religious extremist these days!).

I agree with whoever it was that said such a march should be held outside Parliament/ No 10 rather than in WB.

It's an interesting proposal, IMO, as it certainly makes one think beyond the realms of the sad deaths of UK soldiers in the Middle East.

I was ruminating the other day about what kind of nutter you'd have to be to blow up a bunch of innocents in a Pakistani/ Iraqi marketplace, etc etc etc. Then it occurred to me that from the point of view of some of the people who do this, their actions really are equivalent to the actions of British/ Allied soldiers who have (inadvertently) killed innocents in their own country. Remember Cherie Blair's comment about how she could understand the frustration of Gaza Palestinians who lash out at Israelis? The situations are different, of course, but I'm trying to understand the perspective of people who do this stuff.

How bloody lucky are we to not be living in a warzone. Just thinking about it does my head in, let alone actually being there.

"their actions really are equivalent to the actions of British/ Allied soldiers who have (inadvertently) killed innocents in their own country."

whoa! Big differnce, firstly as you say they inadvertedly kill civillians they don't strap a bomb to their chest walk into a market full of women and children and go ' i'm about to get my virgins yea!" BOOM.

Secondly when they find that they have killed innocent civillians they are sorry for what their actions have caused.

"Remember Cherie Blair's comment about how she could understand the frustration of Gaza Palestinians who lash out at Israelis? "

As for cherie Blair, the woman is a troll and a moron and should never have been allowed any airtime as she was not elected to anything but made a fortune out of her husbands human rights laws.

Atlantis, I said that in their pov their actions are equivalent. Killing is killing, whether it's done through suicide bombing or a legalised attack by our own forces. That, I believe, is what goes through the minds of some of the people who do this. If British soldier accidentally killed your newborn baby would you shrug and say 'oh, well, he didn't mean it'?

As for your opinions on Cherie Blair - yes, she says and does some stupid things sometimes, but nobody is idiotic all the time, are they?

Riven...oh right, wasn't sure how the muslim hierarchy works in this country......so there's no real order then....interesting.

ps;
noddyholder....yep, will deffo shake on us avoiding each other, have been worried about your feelings for a while now....will do you good to completely back away from me...

remember....this is only the internet..!

ffs stop trying your pseudo psycho bollocks with me I just don't like you plain and simple it really is no more exciting than that

Well yes the terrorists who blow up innocent shoppers on purpose are not so bad after all. Anyone could have a bad day and they can't really be blamed can they.

When it comes down to it it is an illegal war and all the different people involved and affected are going to react according to their beliefs and experiences so one mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist a bit like northern Ireland where it will never truly end either and neither side can ever seem to get the others POV