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The sad case of Meredith Kercher

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FreeGeorgeJackson · 03/12/2009 18:11

I feel for her parents. The trial seems to have gone on for ages doenst it?
I cant see ( form what i read) how kNox will get off.

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DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 17:51

"Lulu- we kind of get the opposite here (I'm in the south of Italy near where Sollecito is from) we hear a lot about him, and not that much about her."

I'm back!

Bucharest - have Sollecito's family/lawyers said if they will appeal yet?

wannaBe · 05/12/2009 17:52

"Can you not find anything within you, dittany, to feel any compassion whatsoever for all the people involved in this appalling case?" wtf?

"She may very well be guilty. That doesn't mean I have no compassion for her or Sollecito." Even if she is guilty? (which she has been proven to be). Please do enlighten me as to why one should have compassion for a murderer?

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 17:56

"Does anyone who believes that Knox and Sollecito are innocent have any theories of what may have happened that night or how Meredith Kercher came to be murdered in such a brutal way? That's a genuine question, not a sarky one."

If I had to theorise I would say that Guede somehow got into the flat (either let in, or because of the broken lock, or because he broke in) either to rob or to rape or both.,

I would theorise that he attempted to rape Meredith Kercher and throttled her before murdering her.

Georgimama · 05/12/2009 17:58

So why did he slit her throat if he throttled her? Why do people find it so hard to believe that the Italians might have got this right? I didn't listen to all the evidence in court, I bet not one of you did either. The only people who would have heard every word were the judge and the jury. And they found them guilty. I'm pretty content that they are therefore guilty, at least until an appeal court says otherwise.

Bonsoir · 05/12/2009 18:00

Because we should all have compassion for all human beings, whatever terrible mess their lives may have become.

You never know what misfortunes might befall you...

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 18:02

"The attack was so extreme and violent that it was impossible for one person to have done it as the defense claimed, Meredith was being restrained whilst others tortured her."

this is what the Prosecution suggested yes, it's not anything that they actually managed to produce evidence for.

Do you not think it's rather bizzare that with 3 people involved there was only an abundance of Guede's DNA in the bedroom where the murder happened?

" 05-Dec-09 15:48:29
I'll just say it again. It was a planned rape and torture session, possibly with murder at the end of it"

possibly with murder at the end of it? I think this is the only thing you can really be sure of - there was a murder.

The prosecution actually say there was no rape. Just an assault. Why do you think she was tortured?

"Do explain why they both switched off their mobile phones beforehand and took a knife from Sollecito's house to the crime scene BOF.

Both of those actions indicate a plan."

no they don't. Do explain why switching off phones indicates a plan?

At what point, Dittany, did you decide these two were guilty?

Georgimama · 05/12/2009 18:02

Bonsoir, a "misfortune" hasn't befallan Amanda Knox. According to the evidence and the decision of the italian court - which we must all accept until an appeal says otherwise - she deliberately murdered her flat mate. That's not a misfortune. It's not a social gaff. It's a crime and to be old fashioned about it, a sin.

I feel compassion for her parents and family who basically stand to lose their daughter, at least for the next 15 years. I don't feel any for her. Sorry.

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 18:03

"Knox had an unhealthy obsession with rape"

what makes you say this?

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 18:04

"Another thing I remember hearing months ago was that he claimed to be at home on his computer all evening; but although it was switched on, no activity was logged?"

the prosecutors took away the hard drive and somehow managed to blow it up you know.

BitOfFun · 05/12/2009 18:04

I'm humming and hawing like Gordon Brown with a hobnob here. I am trying to read the site Dittany posted, but it keeps crashing. There appears to be a bare footprint in the blood that matches Sollecito (although his defence contested this), but not Amanda or Guede. There had been a stone thrown through the window too, but, crucially, glass was on top of the clothes and duvet, suggesting it was a faked break-in.

Basically, I guess I'm agreeing with everyone who says that the jury saw the actual evidence and decided based on that, so although the motive appears baffling, I suppose we have to assume there was enough proof to convict.

wannaBe · 05/12/2009 18:05

"You never know what misfortunes might befall you..." no, but I know that I'm not and never will be a murderer. That's not misfortune and is not deserving of compassion..

goodbyesunhellomoon · 05/12/2009 18:07

yeah but the broken glass from the window was on top of Merediths strewn clothes. If an intruder had broken in and attacked her, the glass would have hit the floor first before her clothes.

The only way the killer/s got in was through the front door, and Knox was the only one from the accused with a key.

The scene was staged to look like a break in.

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 18:09

Bitoffun, you should also read this site

I have read both this and the Meredith Kercher one. Like you and Dittany I have only become aware of this case in the last 3 weeks. I looked into it without ever having heard anything about foxy Knoxy, Guede, or Sollecito. I had no preconceptions about them, nor had I been aware of any of the tabloid reporting.

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 18:15

"yeah but the broken glass from the window was on top of Merediths strewn clothes."

That's funny I was under the impression that the broken window used to gain entry was in one of her housemate's room?

goodbyesunhellomoon · 05/12/2009 18:15

I knew nothing of narcissistic personality disorder until it became a buzzword on MN, but from what I've learnt I think knox has it in bucketloads.

Her summing up speech didn't mention Meredith or her family once. I appreciate that speech was mainly about herself, but I just thought she came across pretentious and detached. (the mask of a murderer being slipped onto my skin)

I thought Guilty as soon as I saw her snogging sollecito for the cameras the day after Meredith was discovered. I thought she seemed a mix of faux sincerity and mild amusement.

However, who apart from them really knows what happened that night.

The evidence is so sketchy. Yes they are convicted in a court of law, but from what I've read there was hardly any evidence of knox at all at the scene.

I'm wondering if it's more a honeytrap type situation. Knox allowing Guede into the home with intent to attack maybe? sollecito getting involved at the end?

Her description of having her fingers in her ears to block out the screaming may have been true.

Bucharest · 05/12/2009 18:17

I've been out as well, ferrying dd to music.

Fanjo, Sollecito's lawyer said it wasn't over yet, when she drove away from the court, so I'm presuming they'll be appealing, yes.

Laughing in a really perturbed WTF fashion that Bonsoir is finding any comment on this thread other than her own tasteless. Pots and kettles I'd say. Do you feel compassion for Ian Huntley too? Oops, tumbled into the bath, darn, could have happened to anyone.

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 18:19

"I thought Guilty as soon as I saw her snogging sollecito for the cameras the day after Meredith was discovered. "

oh dear.

she was kissing her boyfriend and not for the cameras. That's such an idiotic thing to say.

bibbitybobbityhat · 05/12/2009 18:20

I wasn't at the trial, obviously, and I haven't read every single thing written about this case and yet for some reason I feel very uneasy about these convictions. Just a hunch - but I don't think they are guilty. Or at least, I don't think the whole truth has come out at this trial.

Georgimama · 05/12/2009 18:21

Ian Huntley wasn't beautiful, upper middle class and well connected. Only pretty people driven to do unpleasant things because the plebs aren't fitting in with their world view deserve compassion, bucharest.

skihorse · 05/12/2009 18:27

duelingfanjo The "blowing up" of any hard drive is totally and utterly irrelevant. He said he was downloading cartoons - his ISP would've been able to give very accurate times/loads for his internet connection. No activity = no activity.

Thankfully I'm far too ugly to ever have murdered my flatmates, but for the grace of G-d.

I find it somewhat hypocritical that those who despise the Italian "meeja" the most, are those who've swallowed the yanks lines...

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 18:29

Who despises the Italian Meeja?

Georgimama · 05/12/2009 18:29

"Her description of having her fingers in her ears to block out the screaming may have been true."

Possibly. So why the fuck didn't she do something about it?

DuelingFanjo · 05/12/2009 18:31

Because she wasn't actually there!

spicemonster · 05/12/2009 18:34

I'm sorry but I think it's absurd to make any judgements about a case in which you haven't been privy to anything other than media reports and websites dedicated to disproving the evidence against the convicted.

There may well have been a miscarriage of justice here but none of us know. And it's no less distasteful than all the Madeleine McCann threads IMO

Georgimama · 05/12/2009 18:36

So why did she say she had her fingers in her ears to block out the screaming?