Expecting 14th child but will have more babies till twins or triplets??? I must be insane

[Divatheshopaholic]

I dont know if anyone started thread already. I just spotted this on DM
39 year old with 13children expecting 14th and there will be more coming.
I love big family, but after having two, we decided two is just enough but this seems abnormal, having twins or triplets is kind of her destiny

Disguss! What do you think? Would you have as many as her? I

suliedonne - I hope your example doesn't involve them claiming CB and WTC before disaster strikes .

Your example is exactly what the benefits system is for, suiledonne.
I would never want a family in that situation to be penalised. It is very easy to distinguish between them, and a woman who has continued to have child after child with no regard for their financial situation.

i have 5 (including two sets of dt's) I find the notion of actually WANTING multiples quite disturbing and if amnyone really feels the need i can lend at short notice two 6yo's and 2 4yo's who never stop trying to kill each other

Oh and BTW- our tax credits amount to about £70 a month

Just say, suiledonne, that a political party announced that in 10 years time there would be a cap in the number of children paid out for, perhaps people will take that into consideration financially.

I had 2 DCs because I figured that would be the amount of DCs I could afford if DH died/lost his job etc.

But what I am asking is how do you draw the line? When do you decide how many children you can afford? Circumstances change.

If there were to be a limit to the number of children you can claim benefits for then it would have to apply to all families in all circumstances wouldn't it?

Evan people who could potentially afford a large family couldn't take the risk that their circumstance would change down the line due to unemployment or illness.

So we all better just have one or two and not be a burden to the state.

I have to go and take care of my 2 now.

It has been an interesting discussion.

'no she doesn't have 14 children crammed into 3 rooms.'

I am hiding this thread now. You are right, alwayslooking, she is the model of social responsibility, a selfless parent, and deserves every penny of her 50 grand.

And how stupid have I been, sticking with one since that's all we feel we can comfortably afford

actually i'm getting quite into this now! As previouisly said i have 5, atm i am out of work due to Cancer treatment, HOWEVER i recieve an income from a private insurance policy hence we do not claim 'benefits'.

If i didn't have this policy it would be a lot more in TC's being claimed, but then that would not in effect be 'my fault' iyswim, when we had our children we were able to afford them, but circumstances change.

MoreCrackThanHarlem, yeah, but what you gonna do about it? send a few back? Just let them get on with it and stop judgeing.

"So we all better just have one or two and not be a burden to the state."

and tough titties to the 1000's of families that would never be able to have ANY children because they could never afford to support even one child without WTC and CB .

On the tax credits thing, I thought that once you earned over a certain amount, off the top of my head it was near 24K, you got £10 a week in tax credits no matter how many children you have (apart from when you have one under a year then you get an extra £10 for that year), it's that way for us, we get the same for one child as we do for three.

Tax credits person told me it's only people who earn under 14K or something where the actual number of children are take into account.

and I'm not sure what relevance your quoting of "no she doesn't have 14 children crammed into 3 rooms" has to do with your comments.

It's a fact - if we're going to get picky and nitty gritty on details then I was simply correct a fact, she doesn't have 14 children crammed into 3 rooms, and she won't even once her 14th is born.

And so I see the net has widened for the benefit bashing.

Now it includes those who claim WTC and CB - and rely on it to survive.

Nice - god it's times like this I REALLY despite MN (but still can't keep away ).

Surely the KEY issue here, the one that could potentially have the most damaging effect on us/society is the impact on her current children knowing that they weren't quite what she wanted. I'm sure those children are going to grow up to be very well adjusted .

But no - lets not discuss those isssues, lets instead bash them for taking advantage of a messed up Tax Credits system that allows people to get more back in "Tax Credits" than they actually pay in tax. Just like 1000's of other families, except they're doing it on a bigger scale - oh yes of course that's the biggest issue here.

have at the links I posted to a few posts further down - doesn't that concern you more than someone claiming only what they entitled to claim. Is it their fault the Tax Credits system is so screwed up.

I have no doubt that all those "average" earners with 2 or 3 children who claim tax credits get £100,000's more a year between them than a handful of families such as the one in the OP's link.

So - are people claiming WTC and CB "on benefits" - yes or no??? (could change the WHOLE spectrum of benefits bashing threads on MN dependingon the answer to that question)

well I don't think that having more children just because you hope to have twins is right. I think that's the most shocking part of this story - and if they were millionaires not even claiming their £8500 a year child benefit I would think it was shockingly wrong. That is the story for me - the fact that this women wants to churn out children until she gets what she "wants" - twins.

However I can't say that I can get riled about them claiming more than they pay in tax when that's the way the system is set up.

And as I said earlier 100 families with 2 or 3 children getting £200 (figure plucked out of the air) a month more than the tax they pay is always going to work out more in monetary terms than 2 or 3 families with lots of children being paid out £3,500 a month.

So - back to my question that no-one seems to want to answer

does the term "benefits claimants" - now include those getting Working Tax Credit and Child benefit as well???

you see what comes across to me in many of the posts on this thread is that if they could afford to support all these children, and live in a house that where they could all live comfortably WITHOUT claiming a single penny of child benefit or WTC (or perhaps for only the 2nd,3rd and 4th child - the 1st child being 23 and no longer living at home) then it would be ok and it would be their decision blah blah blah.

Alwayslooking.

I picked out that quote as I feel it demonstrates the way you are nit picking and manipulating this discussion. Ok, she has 14 children in 3 bedrooms, is that better?

The way she is abusing the wtc system to fulfill some perverse agenda was the matter of discussion.
You have triumphantly turned it round so that any mention of her financial situation is 'benefit bashing'.
You also refuse to acknowledge any difference between this family and the 1000s that use wtc to support their children.

Clearly some people have large families, then their circumstances change and, unable to support them, the state pays. Huge huge huge difference between that, and a woman whose life goal is to keep on reproducing at taxpayers expense until she has twins.

If you can't see that she is taking the piss on a grand scale, I feel you have become blinded by your 'liberal at any cost' attitude.

This shows clearly the necessity to stop any increases in benefits paid for third and subsequent children conceived whilst that person is on benefit.

yes if we're nit picking she STILL doesn't have 14 children in 3 bedrooms, and even when her 14th is actually born won't have 14.

"and the 1000s that use wtc to support their children."

exactly - they are supporting their children (financially) using WTC..........and the difference between those and the 1000's that only have 2 or 3 children is????????

. Difference is that most people actually WANT their children and aren't churning them out with the sole aim of trying to have twins.

God for me that's worse than someone that's on social security benefits churning oout children so they don't have to work - at least those children are all (hopefully) viewed as being good enough, and not something wasn't quite what they wanted.

Squishabelle - so WTC and child benefit ARE classed as benefits like JSA and IS, HB and CTB then?? Sheesh, benefits bashing threads are going to be so boring now we've had that turn around.

If you can't see the difference between having 2/3 children and claiming wtc and having 14 ,I'm afraid I'll have to rest my case.

You are the one who has turned this into a benefit bashing thread through your inability to distinguish between use and abuse.

no I'm sorry the same principle applies - you can easily be getting more TC's than you pay in tax. Doesn't matter whether it's £5000 a year more or £40,000 a year more the priciple is the same.

And tbh as I've said before that's not what I have an issue with. I have an issue wit her reasons. She could be a millionaire with ££££££££'s sat in the bank, not even bothering claim her child benefit and I would still think she was wrong.

Benefits bashing threads will never be the same for me again now I know that WTC and CB are classed alongside housing benefit and Job seekers >>

and how was I the one that turned it into a benefits bashing thread??

I think you'll find there were others that posted well before I did questioning the benefits she was claiming.

People really don't get tax credits. You get 'elements' for each child, work status etc. Then your income gets calculated at a set rate. This amount is taken off of your tax credit award to leave the total tax credits payable. For example, a couple earning £74,500 with 10 children over the age of 1 would get around £21 per week of tax credits. There is no cap, as such.