Expecting 14th child but will have more babies till twins or triplets??? I must be insane

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I dont know if anyone started thread already. I just spotted this on DM
39 year old with 13children expecting 14th and there will be more coming.
I love big family, but after having two, we decided two is just enough but this seems abnormal, having twins or triplets is kind of her destiny

Disguss! What do you think? Would you have as many as her? I

Also, how are they all going to feel about "not being good enough" because they were the extra singletons when all she really wanted was multiples.

was my first thought too

5 of us well 5 and a littlun get through two loaves of bread and 10 pints of milk a week. Where on earth do their figures come from?
We're spending about £100 on our lot in total for Christmas and though I admit by some peoples standards thats a bit tight we don'thave any more money tax credits or earned

I (actually we) would have loved more but ds had the snip because we couldn't afford to support them and the chance of a lottery win none.

Cutting off benefits for people who keep having kids - hmm great solution, not! Not very nice for those extra kids, who didn't ask to be born, is it?

Those 14 kids would typically have been born to a lot more families - approx between 5 and 8 families. If they claimed benefits they'd have claimed more, because there would be a lot more people involved (all the extra parents). So how does it make sense to punish one set of parents for having a lot of DC?

In the UK and similar western countries, the birth rate is below replacement level. In world terms, yes population needs to be controlled, but if you can't replace your own population as an economy you're in big shit as the population gets older. People who have a LOT of DC like this are actually not doing any harm (aside from the separate issue of whether they are good parents/happy family but that's another question) and anyway they are very, very rare. Cutting off their benefits to serve them right would be monumentally pointless as well as punishing innocent children.

god do families of 5 (one little one here - he's 2 1/2) only go through 10 pints a week

always forgive me I've just calculated that completely wrong. Theyre four pint bottles so its actually 20 pints ish

Can I plead no sleep

SO I think the amounts are on the high side but as you say not excessively so. Also she must have teenagers which I don't I remember my brothers appetite as a teenage boy.

Makes me feel sad though (for me) because I dont think if we had had another we would have got enough money from the state to pay to feed it let alone anything else. Jealousy on my part I guess

We buy a four pinter a day so 28 pints it will probably go up when dd stops bf.

oh - just seen your reply (after I'd started a thread about a thread asking how much milk and bread people use ).

I usually buy 3 x 6 pints at the start of the week, and then 2x4 pints at the end of the week to tide over until next weekly shop.

I dread to think how much we'd use if I ate cereal and DS3 had milk on his cereal LOL.

Who's to say what a 'ridiculous' number of children is?
Chinese decided one was quite enough.
Many people seem to think two is right.

Hi have only read OP. I have twins and always quite 'wanted them' but never really thought I would have them and would never 'keep trying' or whatever to get them (I read of some people taking clomid to get twins!!)

Often people only fantasise about the good side of twins or the attention NOT the double birth experience (I had normal birth combined with c section!!) and double sleepless nights not to mention twin toddlers!!. I LOVE having twins but me and my 2nd twin almost died at birth (and my aunt's 2nd twin did die) and it is really quite dangerous, I am alway hearing about people loosing one or both twins.

Anyway,I think she is abit selfish to 'try for twins' as she has only a 1 in 80 or so chance each time anyway.

What's wrong with the name Peppermint?

I wish I could only buy 10 or even 20 pints of milk a week. More like 6 pints a day here and there is 5 kids, 2 older sibs and the parents. We also go through at least 2/3 loafs per day too as they do like their sandwiches.

Couldnt care less how many kids she has that is her choice but the overcrowding is making me care as she should look at moving to a bigger house through the private sector and use some of the christmas money on that as what she spends on them is obsence as I spend only £100 each on mine. That isnt tight by the way just us.

Oh and the bloody names come on that has to be a joke surely. Who names their child Voorhees. Now what will he do when confronted at school over his name. I wonder.

She's 39 now so probably has only a few years left to have her twins and to be an older mother (and one with multiple pregnancies) and be expecting twins brings a whole load of new health risks.

She's had one baby a year for the past 12 years, I am on my fourth baby in 6 years and boy am I feeling it. Apparently it takes almost a year for your body to recover from a pregnancy hes has never had that chance, she must be superwoman.

Wonder if she has a Duggar style system where the older ones bring up buddy the younger ones?

And instead of spending all that money at ToyRUs I would be spending less and trying to find a way to get my children some more bedrooms, that's what they would probably want more and anyway where is she going to store all the toys???

I'm with Bonsoir and MoreCrack on this one. It is your choice to have as many/few children as you want, but there has to be a point where you realise that you are part of a community and can't hog all the resources. Her reasons for having so many children are barking (well, the reason given in the article). If you cannot afford to have 14 children, and have to rely on extensive state benefits that other tax payers are funding, then you shouldn't have them. Simple.
I have just come back from a country with extreme poverty (in many areas), 40% unemployment, high AIDS rate with many orphans and very little (if any) state aid, seeing lunatics abusing a system like this that is meant to be there to help, makes me really depressed.

Why would anyone name their kids after characters from a horror film?
After a serial killer?

Why would anyone spend that much money on presents - if it means scrimping all year long £5000 on 14 kids is £357 each (yes I went and got a calculator!)

mad mad people - I wont spend anything like £350 on my kids and I have only got 2!!

So utterly wrong to think spending lots of money at christmas somehow means you love your kids more

I feel sorry for her kids

£13.20 a week might not be much when it's about one child, but when you're claiming £13.20 a week for fourteen children it adds up to £9609 a year. Actually it's slightly more than that because obv you get more for the first child but ykwim.

If they're eligible for tax credits and are earning 41K a year that way then he's not paying tax, is he? Because they're getting that back and then some. In fact between his salary (and obv we don't know what his salary is but obviously he does earn one) and the £50000 of benefits they receive a year (and yes it is 50000 incl CB) that puts them in the top 10% of earners in the country. And it ain't them that's earning it.

Wastingaway
Erm, a ridiculous amount of children is so many that you cannot support them financially, provide suitable accomodation for them, or give them enough adult attention and time.

I am with MoreCrack with this.

Surely there are responsibilities that go with the right to have as many children as you want. It is my tax money too and I think I would be very happy to put a cap on paying for 4 children per couple.

And I come from a family of 7 so I know alot about big families.

Exactly, Irritated.
And it is the fact that some parents are making use of their rights, whilst completely ignoring those responsibilities, that makes me think a cap on the number of children eligble to be brought up on benefits is a good idea.

Children use up a lot more state resources than merely CB and tax credits. Children are very heavy users of NHS resources and education costs the state a lot of money. Large families make disproportional use of all sorts of state resources.

So we are looking at China as some kind of example

She is only claiming what she is entitled to, plus she must have had quite a few of the children before TC started.

The thing about the DM article that makes me chuckle is that there are no pictures of her as she doesnt want to be identified, but there is not going to be another family with names like that out there.

The thought being pregnant once a year for twelve or so years makes me shudder!

actually they'll be currently getting £8590 a year in child benefit, which will go up to £9276 next april when their next child is born.

"Erm, a ridiculous amount of children is so many that you cannot support them financially, provide suitable accomodation for them,"

well as I said - if you include child benefit and tax credits alongside the social security benefits then that would be a very large proportion of this country that couldn't afford children - ever.

I think it is quite right that the state support people in bringing up their children - health and education for children are major priorities for expenditure all over the world, as soon as states can afford them - and CB and some kind of tax deductibility are all fine, IMO, but not in a limitless way.

Agree with Bonsoir, they are not only abusing their personal responsibility to their children, but are clearly socially irresponsible, taking far more from the pot than they will ever put in, due to the fact that they have, through their own choice, had so many bloody kids.

good point - when were WTC's introduced??

I do find it interesting that on the one hand people argue until they're bluein the face that child benefits and WTC are NOT the same as being "on benefits".........until a case like this comes along........and then suddenly they're just as bad as the parents who aren't working and are claiming IS/JSA/Housing Benefit/Council Tax Benefit etc etc etc.

Lots and lots of people get more WTC than they pay in tax - their case is nothing unusual in that respect.

Alwayslooking, that's because claiming wtc to help support your 2 or 3 children is very different to this case. You keep comparing them even though they are clearly incomparable.
No one has suggested wtc should be abolished, just that a cap on the number of children eligible could help prevent cases like this.