OMG - teen dies after being given cervical cancer vaccine

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oh Moss everyone's been so articulate and nice and you just go and spoil it

sorry if what you read doesn't fit your world view

hmm actually -- I'm not!

btw has anybody who's been offered this vaccine been told there's a "special warning" for those with thrombo problems? "Cervarix should be given with caution to individuals with thrombocytopenia or any coagulation disorder.."

Contraindications include: "Hypersensitivity to the active substances or to any of the excipients."

Now how is anyone going to know if they are hypersensitive to any of the ingredients? That's a ridiculous and meaningless contraindication. You just have to suck it and see. Does anyone know if they are allergic to
"3-O-desacyl-4'- monophosphoryl lipid A (MPL)3 50 micrograms adsorbed on aluminium hydroxide, hydrated (Al(OH)3) 0.5 milligrams Al3+ in total
4L1 protein in the form of non-infectious virus-like particles (VLPs) produced by recombinant DNA technology using a Baculovirus expression system which uses Hi-5 Rix4446 cells derived from Trichoplusia ni."

I think AS04 is squalene. Not sure though.

"Appropriate medical treatment and supervision should always be readily available in case of a rare anaphylactic event following the administration of the vaccine."

This worries me about doing it in schools.

Also "duration of protection has not fully been established."

Stuffit, Beachcomber, thanks for your support. . I have really worried over this decision.

DD has had the full programme of vaccinations throughout her childhood so this is the only time she won't be jabbed.

Beachcomber, you say that the vaccine has not "prevented" a single case of cancer. Aside from the time delay issues involved, isn't that's a meaningless statement?

After all how could it ever be proven that by choosing not to smoke, a particular person has "prevented" themselves from getting lung cancer. Or indeed by eating healthily, they have avoided a heart attack. Surely that's why we have to rely on statistics.

interesting stuff.

dd2(9) is scheduled for her first needle of (3?4?) tomorrow.

all 3 of my kids (inc one with cp and some contrainds for mmr) have been vacc'd according to usual practice to date.

thanks to mn i now have to decide whether to pull her from the programme.

why won't you lot just make my life easy?

if i hadn't known that protection may be lifed to six years (making her all of 15 when it runs out - and i'm hoping against hope that she might not even be sexually active at that point, condoms or no condoms) then it would all have been much easier.

"Appropriate medical treatment and supervision should always be readily available in case of a rare anaphylactic event following the administration of the vaccine."

"This worries me about doing it in schools."

In our team, the nurses delivering vaccination programmes in schools are fully trained in BLS and anaphylaxis and receive yearly updates as well as carrying adrenaline and BLS kit.

We are fully trained in how to respond to an emergency and are required to wait for a period after the last vaccine has been given to monitor and deal with reactions.

madwoman why is your 9 year old DD scheduled for HPV vaccine?

It's supposed to be given to Years 8, 10 and 11 so a 9 year old shouldn't be due to receive it.

she is grade 5 in canada, and apparently that's when it's done here...

'I think the government should use the vaccine money for earlier smear testing. 25 is too long to wait.'

there are good reasons to test later than currently done, such as links between miscarriage/ foetal abnormality resulting from damage done by the smears.

it's still under consideration by NICE.

1.4 million girls had the vaccine. someone asked what the chance of a seemingly healthy 14 yo just dying is - if it is 1 in a million, then it was actually quite likely to happen to one girl after the jab without it being the cause.

Oh I apologise, I assumed you were in the UK

I know in some countries they have introduced it from age 9 (Australia and USA I think) but didn't know that was also the case in Canada

(Off topic but whereabouts in Canada are you? It's somewhere I've always wanted to visit! Where do you recommend?)

Thank you for that info Sidge, as we are not present at mass vaccination in school, this was one of my worries.

Interesting point Talbot.

I guess I'm of the opinion that vaccines should prevent disease, and, that most vaccines, with the possible exception of Hep B, are accepted onto the recommended schedule in most countries because they have been shown to prevent a particular disease in the majority of recipients. Most of them have at least been shown to stimulate antibody production.

HPV vaccines are different. Due to the time factor that you mention we currently don't have the slightest clue if these vaccines will positively affect cervical cancer incidence and deaths because the results of manufacturer's trials are too limited.

Because of this I object to this vaccine being marketed as a cancer vaccine and I object to assertions like 'will prevent 70% of cervical cancers'. It is entirely possible that HPV vaccines will fail to protect the majority of individuals who receive them due to waning immunity. It is biologically plausible that HPV vaccines could lead to serotype replacement with equally or more virulent strains of HPV and lead to an increase in cervical cancers or a worsening of severity.

Most people (over 90%) clear HPV infections within a short time and with no difficulty, they are then protected against all strains of the virus. Cool huh?

Vaccinating against certain strains of HPV will, without a doubt, interfere with this mechanism and alter a very complicated viral ecosystem. GSK, Merck and the NHS don't have a clue what the outcome of all this will be. These vaccines are in an experimental phase and they will continue to be so until the girls receiving them are of an age where they could be vulerable to cervical cancer (ie not for decades).

So, why, in the name of all that is ethical and scientific is this vaccine being touted as anti-cancer and being handed out like chewing gum in schools FFS?

Based on current science it is impossible to justify the cost of this thing let alone the risk/benefit ratio. The benefits are unknown and the risks are being swept under the carpet.

Honestly when I first read about this thing (in detail) my first thought was 'Ok, this time they have gone too far, they'll never get people to swallow this one'. And yet...

There's no way I'd let either of my daughters have this jab.

And I have two strains of HPV which can cause cervical cancer. I found this out when I donated my biopsy to research.

I've had cervical cell dysplasia and a LEEP treatment for this.

It's not effective enough to justify the risk involved with the Ceravix vaccine in particular, IMO.

Guess there's no vaccinating males, is there? They pass on HPV, too.

sidge, we're in southern alberta. personally i'd head for the rockies every time lol, but i hear say that they have some interesting stuff out east too

i'm going to have to pull her out of the programme, aren't i....

It's true that the NHS isn't vaccinating boys but I know a few GPs who have paid for their sons to have Gardasil privately (to protect them against warts).

To follow up edams post, its not just warts boys need protection from there is a form of anal cancer you can get which has similarities to cervical cancer ( development of pre cancerous cells, similar risk factors) but does not seem to be as well known, because it's mainly seen in gay men.

brave woman, considering what happened to Wakefield

Beachcomber, those were my thoughts exactly.

I think the vaccination programme has partly come about because of the way that people react about cancer, where any test is better than no test and any prevention/treatment is better than none. I think it is seen as a vote winner to be 'doing something' about cancer (and this is not limited to the UK).

It would be great if spending money on health promotion amongst young people stopped them being careless in their sex lives (whenever those start). Unfortunately no one has found a way that seems to work very effectively - I was a teenagers in the late 80's when AIDS awareness was everywhere, and yet at university several of my friends had pregnancy scares, so the whole "wear a condom" had obviously passed them by. They were all educated, intelligent, and not that young, I think to expect younger teenagers always to be sensible is probably fairly unrealistic.

I've read and digested

DD1 is not having it

3,000 Cervical cancer cases a year
70% possibly caused by HPV
6 years efficacy of vaccine
Potential adverse side-effects
No herd immunity plans - girls get mumps why don't boys get HPV

condoms and self-protection I think

You forgot 1,000 deaths a year - so a one in three risk of death. Worth vaccinating against, I'd have thought.

From stuffit's link: An initial post mortem showed the vaccine was 'unlikely' to have caused the death of Natalie Morton as she had a rare and grave underlying health problem, which was unknown to her family.

Stepfather Andrew Bullock said Natalie, who attended Blue Coat CofE School, in Coventry, had been 'poorly for some time'.

She had been to see her GP several times and investigations into a mystery illness had been under way, he said.

Why on earth was this child who had a grave underlying health problem vaccinated with an experimental vaccine then??

See that's the problem when children are lined up like cattle and jabbed with very few questions asked and no parents present.

We will probably never really find out what happened to this poor child, however it seems to me that her sad case highlights much of what is wrong with this vaccination programme.

If this child had a grave underlying problem that was being investigated by a GP then she should never have been vaccinated.

I think it is pretty odd that we are being told that this child was being investigated by her GP, had been poorly for some time and yet her condition was 'unknown' to her family. Doublespeak or what.

You know there used to be a sort of general ethical rule with drugs that if a patient drops down dead in the immediate period after administration the drug is considered, by default, to be the cause. The drug in question can then only be ruled out if examination shows beyond reasonable scientific doubt that the person died from a completely unrelated event. How come vaccines seem to be immune from this prudent, wise, moral, ethical and humane rule?

Even if a person does have an underlying condition that plays a role if the vaccine is a trigger for that condition to manifest itself in a serious or life threatening way then the vaccine is to blame.

If a person is allergic to peanuts and dies of anaphylactic shock after consuming a peanut whilst it would be true to say that the person died due to their underlying allergy, it would be equally true to say that without the exposure to the peanut they would still be alive.

Vaccines are exactly the same.

Interesting link stuffitllama. Dr Harper has spoken out before with regards to Gardasil, I didn't know that she also worked on Cervarix.

Things really are bad when the people who develop a product start to tell you that there are problems with their product, especially in Pharmaland.

"Rumours that she suffered from epilepsy were denied by the school?s chaplain, Father Paul Messam: "I have seen Natalie's file and there is nothing on it to suggest that she had any underlying health problems.?"

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6243512/Cervical-cancer-vaccinations-programmes-paused-after-N atalie-Mortons-death.html

Early days but the spin on this is starting to sound similar to Hannah Poling's case (differnt vaccine, different outcome but with same scientifically shaky excuse).

Well said HeathenofSuburbia.

Squalene is an ingredient in AS04 (but other things are too).

The Mirror says that Natalie Morton's cause of death was something congenital (so she was born with it), and she could have dropped from it at any moment.

I can't find any reliable articles that say that Morton's family doctor was investigating her for anything, only that nobody knew about her underlying condition.

I can't BELIEVE that people dquate the HPV jab with promiscuity. For that matter, I can't believe how messed up the British are about sex, full stop.

equate, .