OMG - teen dies after being given cervical cancer vaccine

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What happened in Africa, atlantis?

"some of the idiots on here"

As someone that has experienced the utter trauma of cervical cancer i can tell you i am well read on the vaccine.

I have a 15 year old sister who has had the vaccine and i made sure i knew all abotu it prior to advising her on it.

Because i hold a different opinion to you does not make me an idiot TeenageWildlife
Lets just hope your DD does not regret your decision to refuse the vaccine on the basis of it not been around for decades.

Mamazon, Sorry you have suffered. I haven't had the trauma of cervical cancer but had treatment for CIN 3 a many years ago and have had recent mild changes which doesn't require treatment atm.

However, with hindsight I do think I could have looked after myself better by insisting on using condoms etc. This is just my experience.

I will advise DD to hold off before getting these jabs and would rather they were administered in a surgery or hospital rather than school, to be on the safe side. I feel uneasy about it atm.

I think I will be talking further to the nurses/doctors at dd's school before I decide. I am not risking her.

My DD is due to have this on Wednesday. Ironically she should have had it a week ago but the GP practice had to change the appointment.

I am strongly inclined to cancel, or at least put it off.

Haven't mentioned it (the poor girl's death) to DD yet, as I don't want to scare her.
Anyone know if this is the only death that has happend since they started giving the vaccine?

They said other girls at same school had a bad reaction as well, so could have been a faulty batch? But how do we know if the current batch in other parts of the country is affected as well?

My DD 12yrs was one of 2 in her class not to have it last week.

She will have it when she is older, more relevant to her health and more research has been done.

She has had every other vaccine though.

The bbc report says that other girls in the school wod had the jab felt sick and dizzy and some were sent home. It sounds like it could have been a faulty batch.

Poor girl but as others have said, it may well be a coincidence. Millions of doses have been given around the world - if there was a risk of death, people like Cancer Research UK wouldn't be backing it.

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And while we're on the subject do you know what REALLY pissed me off?

I signed the form saying she would not be having it and a 'disclaimer' in small letters below said they would directly try to encourage my daughter to have it when they came to immunise them, but would PREFER my consent.

She is 12 years of age!

Lynettescavo,

Much the same as is happening here, death, paralysis ( three forms, left side, legs or face ), asthma, etc, as well as the 'milder' side effects.

America has (at the last count) twenty dead, and thousands paralysed according the the New York Times ( I believe I read the report in)there is a group in the states who got the information from their FIA and publsihed it.

I know there's the old saying of 'you can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs' that's so popular with our government over vaccines (hence the DLA form has it's own vaccine damage section ) but these aren't eggs, these are children and lives are being lost and ruined on the off chance that they 'may' one day get cervical cancer, they may not. But if they have the vaccine and it paralyses them, or worse, then they have lost all that time when they could have lead their lives carefree.

I think the same as most people, prevention is better than cure, but that's what cancer education and pap tests are for.

I will not gamble with my daughter's life, I will educate her and make her aware of what she needs to do.

they surely must have your consent as she is classed as a minor.

I didnt notice on the form my daughter gave as I put no down as well and I wasnt alone either.

Wonder if the forms are standard as I am Scotland.

They better not coerce her into this as I will not be happy at all.

I feel this vaccine was brought out to quick and not fully investagated across the board for the side effects we are seeing in America and now here.

I felt that our kids where being used for the government as they have stopped the smears if you have been sexually active for 3 years and under 20 Scotland and 25 in England.

The HPV was brought out as a cure as that is what the school nurse said it was and it isnt the silly lass. I did tell her that for her to get huffy and say was I a medical person. Well no but I wont be letting her have it blindly like a sheep ta.

I am still looking into it amassing information for my daughter and it isnt looking good at all so for now she isnt having it.

I feel for the parents in this and hope there isnt a whitewash of it all

So sad.

I'd just like to say that, since Gillick, your 12 year old daughter may be considered sufficiently mature to make her own decision - she/the docs may not need your consent.

I'm also noticing conflation of side-effects between Gardasil, which seems to have been used mainly in the States, and Cervarix which is being used in the UK. They are not the same drug, and it's important not to confuse them.

I started a thread on this too. They don't seem to have tested it on certain groups but they don't tell you that or say which groups might be more at risk. This is a damn shame. There will be a lot of back-covering now.

At least they should stop giving this thing in schools.

It's disgusting to imagine they would try to persuade a 12-year-old with a parental form of refusal. Imagine if this happened after a parent had said no.

We don't know if backs need to be "covered", though - and we won't know until the autopsy.

This will be put down to a contaminated batch or something like that. That's what will be said, even before it's investigated, and when it is investigated, and found not to be a contaminated batch but just a bad reaction to the regular vaccine well that news will just slide in under the radar when the story is off the front page later.

All reactions to vaccines need to be recorded, so that we can see if there's a real problem, and if so, how big it is. But there's no point going off on one just yet, when we simply don't know.

Must admit I'm starting to waiver on this one. I'm delighted with the idea of an HPV jab, but...

The story of Ashleigh Cave is especially alarming.

The thing about Cervarix is that it has a new adjuvant: AS04. Which is 'old-fashioned' aluminium hydroxide with another super-ingredient, MPL. Even the pharmacological publications were hesitant about how safe these two combined might be (see here).

The testing however rigorous, was not as exhaustive as the real life situation going on now (not as many doses).

It's not a case of "simply don't know", as if we are totally in the dark, and wondering mildly "whatever can it be?".
The head says it was a reaction, which I suppose means the nurses involved have reported to the head the injection, the subsequent reaction up to the poor girl's death. To say we "simply don't know" is being disingenuous, because we do have quite a good idea. I hope they suspend the vaccine but I'm sure they won't, because that would be a sign that they are worried. They should definitely stop giving it in schools though. I am not going off on one by the way, does that mean getting all panicky? In our house it means having a fit of temper, is that what you mean?

I think it would be a mark of respect to stop the programme in schools, it doesn't mean girls can't have it in the surgery if they want it, or they could do it at local hospitals or clinics en masse.

My daughter is due to have hers tomorrow and will still be having it.

But we DON'T know yet! I did wonder if the girls who went home dizzy might have been part of a mass hysteria reaction, after the initial girl became ill, but of course I can't know that either, as I wasn't there. No disrespect intended to them, either, and I really hope it wasn't a dodgy batch.

It still hasn't been confirmed why she died. An allergic reaction is extremely rare, but possible - so is vasovagal shock, if she were needle phobic/terrified. It's happened before with people who are terrified of injections - the BP can go haywire, and it has been fatal, although probably even rarer than an allergic reaction.

I think this was always a possibility - it's terrible, but there will always be people in vaccination programmes who suffer a bad reaction. But set against the many millions who won't, and weighed up against the deaths from cervical cancer that this vaccine is meant to prevent...

On a personal level, this is appalling and tragic, but the NHS and government can't afford to work out risks like that - they have to work with the entire population being vaccinated. I also don't think there's any reason to suspect that the vaccine was 'rushed out' - the HP virus has been with us for a long while, and there wouldn't have been the same urgency that there is with the swine flu virus.

it makes me worried -- it's so scary that they didn't test it on immune impaired people

deaddei, think you're very brave, i think the reality of this happening doesn't sink home until it does, but at least now I suppose people really know it could happen, and it's a sort of more informed risk, not that it wasn't informed before, but it's academic, thinking that your daughter could die, until someone's daughter does die

sadly with millions being vaccinated it will probably happen again just on the law of statistics I suppose

such a tough decision

Agree 100% with stuffitllllama

poor girl.

"I think this was always a possibility - it's terrible, but there will always be people in vaccination programmes who suffer a bad reaction." It's easy to say that when it's not your child though isn't it?

It's the old "It'll never happen to me" attitude.

The fact is, a child has died following the vaccine. Now maybe she died because of an alergic reaction, in which case the vaccine is safe for most children. But maybe she died as a direct result of the vaccine, in which case far more children may be at risk. But until we know, we should not be putting other children's lives at risk. And until we know, we don't know whether we are putting other children's lives at risk. So until we know, we should stop using the vaccine, until a conclusive answer is found. Surely that's not too much to ask?