NIck Griffin tells BBC that boats carrying immigrants should be sunk

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I think his victory in the EU elections makes him think that he can reveal more of his true true heinous side.

How long before he starts extolling the virtue of gas chambers?

A very insightful post DP

As a society we have a responsibility to care for the most needy,IMO it is the sign of a democracy and all that is decent.Talk of "Sinking boats" thus killing people is a total antithesis to my own personal belief,you may disagree.

start there, where next??

oh so you support sending all the non-British Citizens "back home" (and their children) then?

Mind you if you did that - and let all the British expats (in their millioins) stay abroad and keep emigrating we'll end up with a population deficit in the end I reckon - you see all these immigration figures (which fail to take in account seasonal migration) also don't take into account the numbers of British people leaving (last estimates of around 200,000 a year).

listen...i'm a very considerate person..kind even...i just don't allow people to take the piss...that's how a country should be run...

So you advocate cold blooded murder,then?

DP you really don't like a lot of people
men/sn/gays and now this..........

so who do you class as someone taking the piss

My DH - an immigrant - currently claiming benefits?
An asylum seeker - not allowed to work - fleeing god knows what horrors in their home country?
Or perhaps people like this, this

or perhaps this

or even this lot???

wrinklytum...no, don't think i've mentioned murdering anyone >...but i would keep an eye on the countries the asylum seekers had fled from....when those countries were safe again (probably thanks to the british army)..i would send them back.

wibble

If immigration is all upside and no downside at all (I know some of you wouldn't go that far, but for those who do) why don't we actively seak out more? Why even question people on why they are coming here? All that business with detention camps could go and we could have a completely open door policy. We could have a supply of blank UK passports and just pass them out as people came in.

Why do we not?

Because contrary to what the "send em back" brigade believe there are POLICIES IN PLACE AND NOT ALL ASYLUM APPEALS ARE GRANTED.

but asylum seekers aren't always fleeing "wars" - political oppression which the British army can do nothing about (unless you're advocating going and taking over other countries just because we don't like the way they run things?) There are lots of genuine reasons why someone would claim aslyum - and believe you me - not all of them get given it either - despite what you may think.

in 2008 there were 25,670 claims for asylum (compare that with 84,000 in 2002!)

19,000 of them had decisions made in 2008

19% were granted asylum, 11% granted either humanitarian protection or discretionary leave and 70% refused.

oh god..not more weirdo stalkers..

hand out passports.

ermm - just because they get leave to remain doesn't mean that they get a British passport - we paid over £600 for a visa for my DH to come here nearly 10yrs ago - we'll have to pay out close to £1000 just to apply for to become a British Citizen!

Nick Griffin, meet the 456... the 456, meet Nick Griffin...

what ??

ah. You don't watch Torchwood.

I heart Unquiet Dad.

I really don't care how much passports cost. The question is that for those (probably a minority of those posting) who think immigration is such a boon and no downside at all would they be in favour of actively encouraging an unlimited number?

no...i don't

Immigration is vital to this country - BUT not acknowledging that the system is deeply flawed is a huge mistake and plays into the hands of the BNP.

There are plenty of ordinary, tolerant, liberal people that are deeply concerned about immigration and the impact on their lives.

the home office are evil, just eeeevil to asylum seekers and refugees, dp. we are not a soft touch. my friend works with trafficked women, the home office people who deal with them are not above picking their children up from school and capturing the mothers when they beg for them back at the detention centre gates. they are wicked, wicked people, employed to be racist. some of the stories have made my stomach churn. (on one amazing occasion, they kept a british asian support worker in detention overnight just because they could, to show her who had the power).

plus the stories of dawn raids, of ripping children out of their beds and deporting entire families, absolute torture. i know a girl whose family was taken down to the big detention centre in england, family split up, all questioned, and they'd been living peacefully in scotland for three years. (on bugger all cash). turned out their papers were on the verge of being okayed, but they were very nearly deported, had their lawyers not found them in time.

who said there was no downside?

PLease quote it to me as I'm failing to see it.

All I'm seeing it hysterical Daily Mail types misconceptions about the realities of the numbers of Asylum seekers (90% of people arriving the UK at international ports were from within the EU in the first quarter of this year - just browsing through the homeoffice information whatsits).

There are already controls to get visas tocome here - they've been in place for years - we had to fight tooth and nail for DH to come to the UK with me 10yrs ago. His FIL had to battle for a holiday visa - so he's not even going to be staying long. Refugee status is even harder to get.

I just wish people would read some of the harder facts and figures before spouting crap.

Oh and daftpunk - which of the people I listed do you think are taking the piss???

I cant understand how the UK has any genuine asylum seekers at all. Surely asylum must be claimed in the nearest safe country? So - unless they have flown here then how can they be genuine? And why are they not sent back immediately to the last 'safe' country they passed through? Maybe someone can explain this to me.

also true, nancy, the system is completely arse about tit over here. plenty of good people wanting to work, forced to live on nothing for years. we do need to start talking about it.