NIck Griffin tells BBC that boats carrying immigrants should be sunk

[spokette]

I think his victory in the EU elections makes him think that he can reveal more of his true true heinous side.

How long before he starts extolling the virtue of gas chambers?

[wrinklytum]

FAQ,i dated Zim guy 9 years ago and his testament was horrific.He came from quite a wealthy family and had been able to afford to come to UK,via trffickers who extorted ££££ from him.The majority would not have afforded it.

Even with the seeming "Integrated gov" it is not safe.I also know a (white) Zim mum who is antiMugabe who has fled here.

[clemette]

DP - I was interested in this: "when those countries were safe again (probably thanks to the british army)". Just wondered if you could give a recent example??

[FAQinglovely]

even ZANUpf supporters who have family living in the UK are at risk. FIL has always been a strong ZANU supporter (much to the dismay of all of his children and family) but they got wind of the fact that he had family that had come to the UK (in there minds that = MDC supporter) and he was actually beaten up a year or so ago.

It feels almost unreal to me that this time 10yrs ago I was living there and while things were a little unstable, and the economy had started to collapse it was astill relatively safe and nice place to live . The year before 1998 - was probably the last of the "good years" - I'm am just grateful that I got to experience it then.

[ilovemydogandmrobama]

FAQ, am so sorry your family are the victims of political violence. We take it for granted in the UK that whoever we vote for will not involve physical retaliation.

So, your experience is well and truly noted. That violence may continue despite a country deeming it safe.

Hope you and your family whatever their political beliefs, find peace.

[wrinklytum]

pOOR FIL .

Terrible.

It sadddens me,sometimes,peoples attitude.I feel Daftpunk is something of a wind up merchant.(I have a sn child and she posted an unpleasant thread recently) so take no mind,but the whole issue of asylum seekers is important,so keep plugging way and ignore the arseholes.

[FAQinglovely]

yea - oh well he's a stubborn bugger really (I look at DH and think " like father like son" ) and he's fine now (well apart from a horrible RTA just under a week ago where miracously FIL, my youngest SIL, DH's cousin and her DH thankfully survived with only relativel minor injuries).....of course the night before he was due to fly over.

So 6 months of battling to get a holiday visa to come and visit us over here - and the night before his flight was supposed to be he was in hospital having a cut on his head stiched up and looking at possibly blood transfusion because of the amount of blood he lost (again thankfully he didn't have to)........they let him out that night (Zim hospitals not quite up to our standards lol) and the stubborn old bugger was at the airport at 6.30 the following morning trying to board his flight . (did i mention he was stubborn lol)

He was refused (thank goodness! less than 12hours after a head injury!) but should be flying this coming Sunday - presuming he gets the certificate of fitness to travel from a doctor.

[wrinklytum]

Hope you have a lovely family reunion

I MUST go to bed.On nights soon,but brain still active!Take cxreXXX

[Jaquelinehyde]

My MIL is currently seeking asylum and has been for a long, long time now.

She is a wonderful woman who has 4 children, the eldest of whom is 26 and lives in the UK (my OH).

She was happily looking after her family and working on a white owned farm in Zimbabwe. Her youngest son was only 3-4ish the eldest 19.

The farm was raided and the farmer was badly beaten, she managed to escape un-noticed or harmed so she thought. Some weeks later she was named as one of the workers on the farm and was found and badly beaten. She was told to leave Zim or her and her family would be killed.

So she left. On her own. Leaving her husband (who was forced to condem her) and all 4 children behind.

The family only had enough money to get her to the UK so she came alone.

Her youngest son is now 9, and is being looked after by his older brother (17) and sister (15) as my FIL has had to go to South Africa to work.

She hasn't seen them since she left just over 7 years ago!

Her application for Assylum was turned down last year! She is currently appealing.

Put yourself in her shoes, imagine leaving your 3 year old son behind not to mention the other 3 and your husband. Knowing you will never be able to safely return and may never see them again.

It makes me cry my eyes out just thinking about it.

If any one of you could honestly say you would send the most in need people back to a country to be raped, tortured and killed just because they use some of our resources then you should be ashamed.

Condemning innocent families to death is not something that sits well with me.

[spokette]

Those who say the country is being swamped by immigrants, does your assessment also apply to white immigrants from Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France etc?

Also, would you also revoke the right for non-whites to run businesses in the UK? Corus for example is owned by the Indians? Also, where will you find the manpower amongst the indigneous population (especially among those who prefer to claim benefits) to work in the NHS, care homes, hotel kitchens etc?

The logic offered by the immigrant and asylum haters on this thread is laughable.

To solve the refugee problem, you need to end the endemic poverty and political indifference as well as improve economic conditions for the poor in those countries. It is a global responsibility and those with the will and resources need to take the lead on providing solutions. Sinking refugee boats carrying the poorest people in the world is not a solution, it is an affront to a civilised world and human dignity.

[saintmaybe]

My grandparents were economic migrants from Ireland.

I'll bet that most people don't have to go far back to find something similar.

If you and you family were in danger, either from physical threats or just from no farking future, wouldn't you want to find a better life for them? The number of people I know who've talked about moving to France or Spain, for no better reason than a bigger house/ more relaxed way of life suggests that moving is not so outrageous when it's 'one of us' doing it.

You know, I think we're going to look back on this time like we do on slavery. imagine trying to explain it; 'So how it was, was that there were some areas where pretty much everyone had enough to eat, somewhere to eat etc, and they were able to do that because there were these other places where people had to work, making things cheaply for the first lot to buy, and the profits went to the first lot too, by and large.
And the good bit is, if you were born in the shitty place YOU HAD TO STAY THERE!' and like slavery, surely our great great grandkids would look incredulous and say, 'What , and everyone just thought that was alright? Did non-one try to stop it?'

[PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot]

dp you say you'dsend them back

Surely then you'd preven tham marrying, having children (where would they be sent?), getting work (who'd employ someone here only until the next Coup)

Also I suggest that anyone who thinks the Home Office is capable of deciding where is safe spends some time on tha amnestry website! startqwith what happens to gay men returned to Iran, browse through a fewof theAfrican nationson the 'safe'list....

Thre's supposed to be international agreements to spread the numbers of asylm seekers across states, sensibly. But its my strongly held view that (despiet ebing pro- Europe gene5rally) we shouldn't even be thinking about taking any other migrants until the people that would suffer a lack of safety if returned homew are properly granted asylum. Immigration is political but how we deal with asylum seekers sums up how we are as humans.

[cory]

What do we do if other countries start feeling they need less immigrants too- and start sending the Brits back? Then we would get swamped. Better sink those boats.

[PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot]

cory yep, and we'd be swamped with old people- Britain: imports workers and exports pensioners (mainly to spain etc)

[cory]

My white British friends are currently in the process to emigrate to New Zealand, a country where I think we can all agree their race is not indigenous. Should I take measures to sabotage the aeroplane?

[PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot]

As long as you throw them a life raft which apaprently NG did suggest.

Though no doubt the BNP would cut the life raft budgets pretty sharply if they had the ability.

barrel and a tyre, anyone? gets all the pollution sent to at teh same time- double whammy!

[FAQinglovely]

I did ask that earlier - an article I read a year or two back suggested there could be 5.5 MILLION British expats (including dependants) living abroad

[cory]

And it doesn't stop there: Nich Griffin wants to reserve Britain to the indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse races (how come the Normans who arrived at pretty much the same time as the Vikings are less indigenous?).

So presumably that means America, Australia and New Zealand ought to be reserved for their indigenous races and anyone of British descent gets returned here. Non?

However, I'm pleased to say I'm safe- I did admittedly immigrate to the UK in 1993- but being of Norse descent, I apparently count as indigenous

[madlentileater]

If you want to dis-associate yourself from Nick Griffin, you can do so-here
it may be scant comfort but the rest of Europe has far greater problems with the far right than we do in the UK.

[clemette]

(cory, pedant alert but the Vikings and Normans were separated by 400 years)
As you were.

[daftpunk]

peachy;...i said i would send asylum seekers back once it was safe....we do not have a bottomless pit of money, we can't solve all the worlds problems....

[FAQinglovely]

but daftpunk -

2 things - once an asylum seeker has been granted refugee status they are FREE to stay here just like anyone that has paid vast sums of money for a working visa.

secondly - places that the home office declare as "safe" are frequently not so. Zimbabwe is an example I know well.

[MIFLAW]

DP

If "we do not have a bottomless pit of money" that can only point to a three-century long history of appalling investment decisions, given the immense amounts of wealth we drained (or just stole) from South America, Asia and Africa.

Some people might say we have a moral debt on that basis, poor money management or not.

[FAQinglovely]

and what about the 80% odd number of migrants who are NOT asylum seekers - the EU workers, those lucky enough to get work permits to work here? You going to send them back too - as believe me they constitue a MUCH larger number of people that the asylum seekers and refugees.

I mean - you work it out - an average of 30,000-40,000 (including dependants) aslyum seekers each year.

MOST of those are refused asylum anyhow (I put the figures further down) Even if ALL of them were granted asylum - which they're not - over half are sent back (often to countries where their lifes are still at great risk) - how many years did they say it would be for the population to soar by 7 million (or whatever the figures is they like to band about)

even at a high estimate of 40,000 asylum seekers suddenly being granted refugee status sending them back is not going to dramatically stop the population of the UK rising over the next however many years.

They constitute a TINY fraction of immigrants to the UK.

[daftpunk]

listen..there is a problem in this country...if you want to bury your head in the sand...fine.

[jeee]

Yes, racism is a serious problem.