NIck Griffin tells BBC that boats carrying immigrants should be sunk

[spokette]

I think his victory in the EU elections makes him think that he can reveal more of his true true heinous side.

How long before he starts extolling the virtue of gas chambers?

[wrinklytum]

Put the shoe on the other foot though.These people have travelled miles,uncertain of their future,scared to death.

It could be you are I.It is just lucky circumstance we were born here.(Actually,I wasn't I have dual nationality)If I were in such a desperate position I would hope I could seek asylum somewhere.

There are many more immigrants from EU than the "Third world" in this country.

[FAQinglovely]

yes they're either in detention centres (great places don't ya know - stopping a baby from having milk for cruel lengths of time.....) or if they're equally unlucky will end up being given somewhere to live anywhere in the country (they have no choice in where they end up) - but that's only if they have absolutely no-one else that they know in the UK that they could stay with (even if that means on the floor).

OK there may be no jobs for them - but the fact is that we have to accept asylum seekers (o well we don't HAVE to - but we have signed various treaties and whatnot over many year to say we will) - and once they are granted refugee status they have the same rights as anyone who has come here with any other type of working visa.

Hey - perhaps my DH should be sent back now then? He has permanent residence ......but he's been out of work since Feb so he's also living off benefits as he can't find a job.........

oh yea - how could I forget - he and my DS's would be sent back to Zim if the BNP ever had their way (despite DS3 never having visited the country and DS1 and 2 only having been for the 3 weeks)

[daftpunk]

fact remains that the UK is seen as a soft touch..that's why they travel right across europe to get here..

[PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot]

Anyone prepared to sink a boat with children on should be in a secure unit, not a palce of Government

The only ay to stop immigration in this way is to stop the need for it, people will still risk their lives against bombs or whatever becuase often its bombs, starvation or whatever back home

Long term that is the ONLY ay to secure our borders

But people just want to shut out the misery; they way to write to the DM and teletext and all the other resources fuckwit types use saying 'stop giving out aid' (i use as evidence teletext text pages today)

We might be a struggling country at the moment but we eat, ahve roofs over our head and medical aid. We ahven't got a fucking clue what poverty really is and thank God for that! Closing down the fundingr eosurces will cause more immigration,preveting immigration and closing down aid- well its not that far off the torchwood 10% is it?

I have seen a friends Iranian (on the Government books as Iraqi for immigration sattus- manya re) fiance's torture wounds, and it makes your ealise that the world is too amned good at closing its eyes. I dont mean war- god No- but we have to be better than 'bomb them out of the sea' or we may as well resign ourselves to extinction in the hope our replacements have some better ethics

[onagar]

Of course you can't blame people for wanting to come here. I've said before that if I lived in some of these places where people are dying I'd be on the next boat with my family.

But if it happened that next year something terrible caused say 100 million people to be in trouble would we be willing to take them all in? Of course not!. We'd say no even though they were in trouble wouldn't we.

So it's acceptable to refuse people in trouble. It's just a question of where you draw the line.

[PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot]

Soft touch DP?

ASYLUM

a palce of safety

somewhere no tosser will rape your fice year old and burn your sons

yes there are illegal immigrants, we all know that

but many,many people are genuine asylum seekers and sopft touch is not their criteria!

[wrinklytum]

"They" are living,breathing human beings,just like you or I.Most are fleeing from horrors you or I could only begin to imagine.Most are decent reasonable individuals who are desperate to make a new life and earn an honest wage.

Talking about "Sinking boats" is vile and inhuman.

[PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot]

Onager yes it is acceptable

It is even more human to try and make it so they dont have to flee in the first palce, not from civil stuff etc- i dont think thats our palce- but tehre is alot of probems caused by a hel;l of a lot of preventable stuff

[daftpunk]

ok peachy....if the main concern is "safety"...why don't they apply for asylum in the first country they get to?

[PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot]

Abxolutely yes I'm all for restricting the numbers of euro immigrants

but nto asylum seekers

FAQ the way I understand it si that illegal immigrant in stats refers to those not registred as asylum seeker or refused entry, the 'unsseen' people

[FAQinglovely]

oh and yes many once granted refugee status do actually find themselves on the streets - or if they're lucky in a hostel.

[FAQinglovely]

daftpunk - most of them do - that's why countries sin the 3rd world and Asia have more refugees and asylum seekers than we do by a VERY large margin.

[PeachyTheRiverParrettHarlot]

I don't know DP

But I do know that many asylum seekers are genuine

If your family were raped and murdered, and you escaped that would you just stop at the first aplce or try and get somewhere where you felt safe?

A lot ofpeople feel that about teh UK, and that will increase with things like the french debate of islamic clothing; the bristish ahve a longsatnding (and ill deserved) rep for having a safe country

As for deporting people on benefits genrally yes that's workable usual predictable MN stuff that doesn't actually contribute really

And yes I am feeling afr mroe pissed off than I usually am, torchwood and opwnership of stupid kids induced adrenaline being dispalced onto causes I genuiinely believe in

Normally I shut up well- nick griffin is a fuckwit and will burn in hell. Thank God I am a hcristian and can beleive that.

Now I am going to drink wine.

[wrinklytum]

I think a lot of people do.

My gran is French (Oh yes,she is not brit but lives in UK,(mY GGdad was a resistant and a POW and fought against Nazi Germany and would be turning in grave at this thread),and she listens to French radio and rails against the anti immigration stuff.It is as big an issue in France,there is a real anti N african feel there as there are a lot of N african immigres.

[FAQinglovely]

yes it's a tricky one peachy as officially an illegal immigrant (which DOESN'T include those on those boats - are they haven't arrived in a country yet and even had the opportunity to claim asylum) is the "unseen" - but of course until an illegal immigrant claim asylum then they remain that status.

Incidentally - talking of illegal immigrants

I still love this story even though it's now a few years old - we're not as squeak clean ourselves you know when it comes to working illegally

[daftpunk]

wrinklytum...the far right parties did well all over europe....no point calling all people who vote for them "ignorant fuckwits"....you have to understand why people are voting for them.

[FAQinglovely]

because we're going through a recession and immigrants (in general not just asylum seekers) are the easiest people to points fingers at.........

[wrinklytum]

Exactly FAQ,I think I posted that somewhere

If as a society we do not protect our most vulnerable people then where does this leave us?

[FAQinglovely]

actually you know - maybe we should send all the immigrants and asylum seekers back home (not including those that have been here since birth and we can make exceptions for those that are married/have children here with British people)) - so basically anyone that doesn't have British Citizienship/been naturalised.

THEN

we send back all the British expats (last article I saw estimated 5.5 million around the world)) back here then everyone can have jobs in their own countries using their own countries resources (well apart from the fact that some of us actually use the resources of less developed countries to survive - but hey we won't go there )

Then we can all live happily ever after

[FAQinglovely]

oh and you think it's easy to come here? A soft touch.

My FIL was initially refused a HOLIDAY visa to come and stay with his 3 children in the UK (and to see his 7 grandchildren that live in this country). Thankfully is has no been sorted out - but it's been a very long lengthy process where he's been sat waiting to here if he'd actually be able to visit his children let alone come and live here!

[varicoseveined]

Yep, simple answers to complex problems,that's what far-right parties offer.

[varicoseveined]

or I should say, that they offer simple and radical answers to complex problems.

I do wish the main parties would tackle the immigration issues head on though, rather than merely (though rightfully) denouncing the likes of the BNP.

[2shoes]

what a dick head
I would like to send him and his ilk out in a boat and sink it.

[daftpunk]

just because i buy milk from my milkman..doesn't mean i have to invite him in for dinner...

[2shoes]

wtf