NIck Griffin tells BBC that boats carrying immigrants should be sunk

[spokette]

I think his victory in the EU elections makes him think that he can reveal more of his true true heinous side.

How long before he starts extolling the virtue of gas chambers?

Can we nail a myth. Asylum seekers are not allowed to work by virtue of their immigration status. Most of the ones I know would like to work.

DP -- how many asylum seekers have you spoken to in the last, say, month or so?

Ilove - don't you know some of her best friends are asylum seekers .

!at the implication that most "lefties" are the upper middle class who don't live amongst people of other cultures.. That must be why there are NO Labour voters outside of the affluent south-east....

Sorry, as a High Priestess of PC I don't think it has anything to do with traditional family breakdown. IMO it's got almost everything to do with the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer and the breakdown of the social contract between the government and those at the bottom of the social heap.

I do think there's an argument to be made that when you take a settled indigenous community (in any country or culture) and introduce a significant proportion of people from a different culture - not necessarily from a different country - then the settled community becomes less settled, and some social problems can arise from this. But I strongly believe that these problems can be overcome with concerted effort and government help. I also believe that the benefits of migration far outweigh the problems that it causes.

I think the people on this thread that are insisting that immigration hasn't impacted on some people's lives are being naive.

I think the workers at the Lindsey Oil Refinery might disagree with you on that one.

Or the plumbers, builders and tradesmen who found it difficult to get work because they were being undercut by a growing eastern european workforce.

Or the parents who found that English was only the fifth most spoken language at their child's allocated school.

Or me - who has been refused a gynaecological operation on the NHS and have been advised to pay for it privately. Now I can afford to pay for it privately - I'm not whingeing about that. The consultant told me the reason for the NHS lack of funds in obstetrics and gynaecology was due to: "the exploding immigrant birth situation in London" - he wasn't being racist - he was Nigerian himself - but he was stating the reality of the situation.

I detest the BNP and I absolutely understand how essential immigration is for the economy and the smooth running of public services...BUT in simply refusing to acknowledge that the situation is without fault or that it doesn't impact on the lives of some - we are burying our head in the sand.

but Nancy - this thread was started talking about immigrants who are using ships to cross to Europe to claim asylum - those people you are talking about are mostly NOT asylum seekers so sinking those ships will do nothing to stop that.

FWIW with regards to languages in schools - those figures are not to be believed completely.

Many immigrants put their first language down as their mother tongue for the child - but that doesn't meant that they can't also speak English. It just means that they are trying to keep their mother tongue alive by speaking to their children in those languages.

The "explosion" in immigrant births - well the increased fertility rate isn't just immigrants - I can't find the link on the thread now - but iirc it's something like 22% of babies are born to immigrants.........that means its the rest of us that are having babies

i don't know any asylum seekers...so what?...i don't need first hand experience of a sitution to have an opinion.

PW; most young offenders have little contact with their father...(if any) the breakdown of the family has caused massive problems.... plus the benefit culture has to be dealt with...we have enough people lying around doing bugger all...we can't afford to take on more...that's my point.

i don't know what the answers are?...but we need some...and quickly..

if it was down to me i wouldn't pay women any benefits after the 2nd child...you want 6 kids you fucking pay for them....vote winner!

I take it you're pro abortion then? As when the MAP failed my Christian beliefs and faith stopped me from even considering having a termination. There was no way I could go thrugh with it.

What about twins/triplets - stuff them hey - they shouldn't have been so careless as to get pregnant with them hey.

So are you saying then that asylum seekers are the main problem with immigration in this country ?

On that last point DP, we will have to respectfully disagree

ok DP can I ask you a direct question?

Do you think that asylum seekers are the biggest cause of problems with immigration in this country?

If so - why?

no worries MT....boring if we agree on everything

dp - re. 'we can't afford to take on any more' - have you taken on board that no economic migrants to this country are entitled to any sort of benefit until they have worked for a minimum period?

Re nancy's points - I do take the point that migration is not without impacts. And those who have least are most likely to suffer from any disruption. However, in the cases you list, there are multiple causes: it's a political choice to blame migration over, say, the wholesale adoption of free market principles, or EU membership, or bad local planning in the NHS.

By policywonk on Sun 12-Jul-09 13:44:16
"I wouldn't want to live on an estate where the schools were crap, where a high proportion of adults had never worked, where there was a lot of anti-social behaviour, where the only shop sold shite at vastly inflated prices, where all the amenities were second-rate and/or broken, and where I got the impression that nobody cared about me or my family.

They deserved concerted effort and attention from our politicians."

I absolutely agree PW, and the scary thing is it's those people who the BNP are giving their concerted effort and attention to by blaming it all on 'them migrants' and any other scapegoating tactic that will appeal to people who feel marginalised.

PW...what about NHS treatment?...they get that....or are they left in agony until they've worked for 2 years?

dp - I think the NHS is just about the only thing they can access. But bear in mind that they will be working and paying taxes and NI, while being unable to access any other kind of benefit. And - although I could be wrong about this - it's my understanding that when you have a universal benefit (like the NHS), it's more costly to devise systems to charge a very few people than it is to just pay for them too.

There is obviously a problem in some areas of the NHS of services being stretched because of the characteristics of local populations - fair enough. Similarly, I've also heard anecdotally of schools that haven't been able to recruit enough specialist staff to assist with lots of children who don't speak English. I just think that these problems can be dealt with without cutting back on migration or making scapegoats of asylum seekers.

PW;...they're the issues alot of BNP voters have,..well.."issues" with...

i hope you don't think i want to line up and shoot anyone who isn't white, hetrosexual, and unable to run a marathon in under an hour...i'm honestly not like that...ha ha..

anyway..time for me to bow out of this thread....it's been interseting...

As an immigrant myself, guess there's no room for me either.

Bye!

Can someone show me some evidence of this wonderful world with couples staying together till death do them part and having 2.4 children and the world having far higher moral standards. It's just that I'm not sure such a place ever existed in history yet dp keeps harking on how the world was much better then.

although seeing as my mother was an immigrant from America and dp a refugee I'm not sure how long I can stay...

daftpunk - are you deliberately ignoring my question or are you going to tell me if the asylum seekers are the biggest cause for concern with regards to immigration in this country?

Thanks Daft. I almost never get annoyed about threads, but as an immigrant myself, am offended.

FAQ..sorry, i didn't see your question...i would never ignore you..

are asylum seekers the biggest cause for concern?.. i haven't got exact fiqures re; exactly how much money they cost us?. how much they contribute to our society?...etc..so i can't answer you.

....the next election will be very interesting..we'll have to sit up all night and get the wine in!

ilovemydog...i was joking about shoting people...(i have a weird sense of humour)..don't get offended...i'm from an immigrant family myself..

well you tell me - at most they are just 22% of immigrants in the country. On average yearly figures they are constitue 10% of immigrants. With a large number of them not being granted refugee status and being sent back the real figure is presumably much less.

There is evidence to show that they do indeed want to work, and in many cases it's because of their long absence from the workplace (due to their immigration status as asylum seekers often for years on end) that they are unable to find work.

The concerns raised at the start of this thread were in relationship to population numbers - not how much they may (or may not) cost us.

In fact your first post said "we're a small country we can't keep letting them in" - yet later on make it clear that it's asylum seekers that you think are the major problem. I'm not sure how they can be the main problem is they are such a small number of immigrants to the country.

basically they're not allowed to contribute to our soceity until they're granted refugee status.

And when they do they frequetly end up homeless as the NASS accomdation they were provided with (if they were lucky) when they arrived gives them just 28 days to leave and find their own home. Language barriers and delays in benefit claims being processed, along side the lack of a support network of friends and family and lack of a job means they are one of the most vulnerable groups in the UK and frequently find themselves on the streets after being allowed access to the same UK benefits as everyone else.

You know a lot about this, FAQ.

The condition of asylum seekers in this country is really shameful and frightening. I can't believe that most people - bar the most hardened racists and generally unpleasant types - would continue to demonise them if they had the first idea about a) what they had been through before they got here, and b) what it's like for them here once they arrive.

The humane and generous reception of asylum seekers is one of the hallmarks of a civilised society, and it's one that we're failing at very badly at the moment.