UK paedophile probed over Madeleine

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Which is exactly why I have repeatedly said we should consider them 'innocent until proven guilty' this is the only concrete standpoint we can take, it is the legal one too. To speculate and gossip is pointless .

Because to them they are discussing the topic of the disapparence. And they have the right to do that as much as any other topic.

There's a thread on here by someone claiming to be an MP's wife.

She is very upset by press coverage of the expenses row and threads on MN about this.

Should we all not discuss this because one person finds it upsetting?

Just about anything is upsetting to someone.

You have brought up the other board over and over and how it upsets you. You stick the boot in all the time and speculate about why certain posters are missing.

Should you not be allowed to do so anymore because others find that upsetting and feel they have done nothing wrong?

No, of course not.

Same goes for all topic bar those which are obscene or racist or the like.

That is the spirit of MN.

It is human nature in a way Izyboy. But forensics here in the UK have said that there is no case against them, forensics in Portugal eventually said the same. The documents have been laid bare for all to examine. If people think they know better than the Met then perhaps they should get in touch with the Met, rather than speculating on a parenting forum.

FWIW, I don't think the McCanns had anything to do with the girls' disappearance.

And I hate paedos. I think they should all be locked up for life in solitary and never allowed near computers or kids again.

But they're not and that doesn't make it okay for people to print their faces and names in the press and speculate that they might have abducted a child or know who did.

Rhubarb, this is not the first time it's been asked, but how do you feel about the Mccanns speculating about other people's involvement?

expat, kindly take your other problems with me somewhere else.

I'm very sorry you feel so aggrieved by me, would you like to start a thread about it? Because having a go at someone by throwing in other, unrelated stuff, is very much against the spirit of Mumsnet.

So basically, if your problem is with me love, then email me, you have my email address, and we'll go from there, in private. Mud-slinging in this way is just, well, so common.

onager, you'd have to give me a link there.

I am amazed that rhubarb you seem to have such info on what people do with their time.I don't think anyone here is sayinf they spend all their time on forums.You are assuming that.Bitchiness is not nice to be on the recieving end of but for some reason it is ok for you but not for anyone else.Of course it is good to have someone defend them that is what makes the debate but you did not need to judge the personal lives of those who doubt them.There is no vitriol here.I have made all my 'assumptions' from reading their statements Not hearsay.i am not sure about the other posters.Of course you think arguing who is bitchy is pointless because you started it and didn't like the comeback but surely you didn't expect your comment to be taken lying down?I certainly don't work in the conventional sense as I have progressive congenital heart failure and am self employed renovating property aas and when my health allows.So now you have the facts you won't need to assume and can judge away.

I am aware it is human nature Rhubarb, and I am also aware that this is a forum for debate which is why I do not request people to stop. To presume innocence is the logical conclusion, especially as indeed there is no court case pending.

I don't have a problem with you, except that you're being hypocritical if you think people shouldn't discuss the Madeleine McCann case because the McCanns find it upsetting, but it's okay for you to discuss things that others disagree with.

People are going to discuss this here and elsewhere.

And you're free to disagree with them.

Exactly, izyboy and noddy.

Again, you presume I directed that comment at you, when in fact it was directed at those who had speculated on the McCanns involvement. When I wrote it, I hadn't read all your comments so didn't know whose side you were on, and tbh, I didn't really give a toss which side of the argument you personally, were on.

Do you really think that you can bully me off the thread? By bringing up mouldies? Accusing me of personal attacks? Of not being able to take criticism myself? I think I've taken your criticisms rather well considering. After all, I've no need to resort to past arguments.

link for Rhubarb

expat, I've already stated that people should 'debate away'. But I do find it fresh that I'm accused of hurtful and personal comments by the very people who are making rather personal and hurtful comments to the McCanns.

Perhaps you should look up 'hypocrisy' in the dictionary?

Thank you onager, only I was rather hoping for a link about the McCanns naming people you goon!

Read your post it was not addressed to friends needing jobs it was singular.No one is bullying fgs I am saying you really were the first person to make personal judgements on the other posters.Up until then there was plenty of debate for and against but no one was judging anyone else until you came along.

'Do you really think that you can bully me off the thread? By bringing up mouldies? Accusing me of personal attacks? Of not being able to take criticism myself? I think I've taken your criticisms rather well considering. After all, I've no need to resort to past arguments.'

Do you really go through life thinking everyone is out to get you?

Good grief!

As for not bringing up past arguments, you bring up those topics yourself in threads completely unrelated to them.

And then trump the bullying card whenever people are discussing things that aren't to your liking.

Honestly, you are the dizzy limit.

..however I will point out if I think the speculation and gossip is pointless and possibly libelous. I would then hope those people might look more closely at what they are writing - however I am not naive enough to think I have the ability to force change or opinion.

It was not addressed to you personally but generally to anyone who took offence just as you were generalising too.

Oh really? It wasn't getting heated was it not? You sure about that?

Again, if you want that comment to be about you then you may have it. FWIW the singular may also be used when addressing a group of people as a singular group.

Don't want to be accused of taking 'sides' expat but I do like your turn of phrase ...'dizzy limit' (jots in notepad).

You my dear friend need to get A job or you my dear friends need to get jobs?

expat dear, are you still smarting because I helpfully told someone where to find you?

Name one thread I have started about mouldies. I have contributed to threads about mouldies - which is in context I believe. I find it quite amusing that whenever you start to lose your rag, you have to throw in your own trump card.

Why not address the points as they are raised? Or is that beyond you?

'But I do find it fresh that I'm accused of hurtful and personal comments by the very people who are making rather personal and hurtful comments to the McCanns.'

What you write and say may be hurtful to some.

What someone else writes or says may be hurtful to others.

Should we all not be allowed to say what we will because others find it hurtful?

That was the question I asked.