UK paedophile probed over Madeleine

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Actually IF, I took the kids to the park today and bought them each a packed lunch from the bakery consisting of.....a sausage roll, a fruit shoot and a chocolate donut! I did so want to bump into a Mumsnetter right then!

we went to the seaside at ramsgate and boguht some chips, but they were ORANGE, I mean I have never seen orange chips before.

Ramsgate is a fucking odd place though.

Never been to Ramsgate. Had some chips in Hastings once though, they were lovely!

Anyway, get away with you! You're detracting from my rant! I want to be able to stick the knife in people and then sob when they do the same. I aim to please you see

Yes Hastings chips good.

Ok as you were, go on, rant a bit more, I quite fancy you when you do that.

Yes well, I do have that effect on people . I reckon expat and noddy fancy me too, that's why they're having a go. The more someone takes time out to have a go at you, the more they like you. Seriously!

That would figure! Izyboy has the BIG hots for moi then, obv.

She dreams about you!

Actually, come to think of it, I stood up for you on this thread a while back and I didn't even know what you were arguing about!
Now it appears you were arguing for the 'other side' so I'm afraid I'll have to retract my defence of you. Then again, Izy was on 'my side' and she didn't do a right lot for the cause. So perhaps I'll not retract it.

I suppose you have admitted to fancying me, so I guess you can keep it.

You did, didn't you? Blimey.

oh it was in my 'measured' phase I seem to recall. I wasn't rowing then.

Thankyou by the way. You ahve been exceedingly lovely, since we met. ('met' that should be but am having a bit of a tic when I use those '' now.)

Well I've disagree with you a couple of times I seem to recall. But at least you take it as it is intended and not personally.

Ho hum. Can't stick around here all night though, got to practice my knife throwing skills!

And play with Pino, my new found friend!

There's another thread??!!

Rhubarb is great. I feel safe when she/he is around. Stops all the bullying.

'Stops all the bullying.'

More like people see certain posters' names and immediatly lose interest.

If all I had to dream of was you lot, I would have a very poor imagination! I can assure you I have alot more fun.

Not on anyone's 'side' actually Rhubarb.

Ok am going to make a last post and be done.I decided to look back at the news thread when the little girl disappeared I was defending the McCanns and was horrified at some of the judgemental postings in those first days.I can remember talking to my mum about how awful it was. My interest in this case came from a close family friends son a journalist who was out there who made me look at it differently and thats all. My opinions are based on facts from him not much else and also reading the statements of their friends.
Rhubarb from what i can see saying that someone has too much time on their hands and needs to get a job is NOT debate and although you only see insults in bad language it is different for different people.I for example would not be prone to feeling upset/hurt if some virtual friends decided to branch out and form their own chat room whereas someone else might.

You can surely see then Noddy why some people are concerned about some of these judgemental postings, having felt that way yourself?

Ooooh, bitchy stuff! When you resort to personal remarks like that, I just take it that you've lost the argument.

If posters are happy to spend all day on a thread, making spurious claims about a family who have lost their little girl, then I reserve the right to tell those posters (although I didn't name any names so I could have been talking to anyone and everyone) to find something else to do with their lives. Because you know what? It IS insulting to that family that you are making judgements and accusations based on what? The son of a friend who happens to be a journalist? Oh they're well reputed to be truthtellers aren't they? And on the statements of the friends - have you seen those statements then? Read them yourself?

I find it interesting that you should try to find offence in my posts, when I am not the one pointing the finger of accusation against a family who have suffered a terrible loss, based on the remarks of a friend of a friend.

Funny how some posters change before your very eyes isn't it?

Noddy I think it was a bit unfair to bring up you-know-what in that way, though I can see the point you are trying to make.

Rhubs, yes the statements are available to read online, which I think is what Noddy is referring to, but I think you are right that if the people concerned should see these comments it would be very hurtful for them, and perhaps we all ought to bear that in mind and exercise some caution in our postings.

It is very difficult to know where to draw the line. There's simply not enough information for any of us to make an informed opinion, well IMHO that is...

Hmm, can't say I care one jot about the feelings of parents who repeatedly neglect their children, be it here or abroad, then when something goes wrong go around posting peoples' names and faces in the press and speculate about their possible involvement in the disappearance of their child.

Can't see how that's fair for them to do that, but it's not fair for anyone to speculate about their own involvement, which I haven't done but others have on this thread, if any.

'Funny how some posters change before your very eyes isn't it?'

Yeah, yeah it really is.

'then you my dear friend need to get a bloody job because you have far too much time on your hands 'I would say that was pretty bitch to start with!You may not have named anyone but neither did I!Why is it personal for you but not for me.Your post was directly after mine and addressed in teh singular as I said previously.Just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean they have too much time!

There is absolutely no point in arguing who is bitchy and who is not. Tell me, what does that achieve?

expat - I have said before, there but for the grace of God go I, concerning the McCann case. dh and I have made stupid decisions in the past. It's easy to get caught up in this "well everyone does it" mode. Our neighbours in France would leave younger children at home alone whilst picking older children up from school - even a police officer did this - it was common practice. I did it once and immediately felt guilty. We've left the kids alone with a baby alarm in a hotel room whilst we've gone to the bar, etc etc. It pains me to think that if anything had happened to my kids, I would be subject to this kind of abuse on forums such as this.

We all make bad decisions from time to time, and aren't we lucky that we can look back and say "thank goodness nothing bad happened!", not so lucky are the McCanns.

I'm shocked by how much vitriol you seem to have for these parents. No matter how much you dislike them as people, no-one deserves what has happened to them. But from these posts, some people seem to think they deserve just that and much more besides.

Tell me, who makes the better person - the parents who have lost a child, admitted to their mistakes, have gone all out to try and find her, supported other parents of missing children and called for more support and more help for missing childrens charities.

Or the person who makes deductions based on hearsay and spends most of their time on forums, voraciously slating those parents and accusing them of the most heinous crimes.

Who is the better person there?

Slate me all you like, I come to expect nothign else. But the McCanns least deserve it and I will defend them and continue to defend them time after time. Because they could have been me.

Defend away then.

Others don't agree and will say so.

Still others will speculate - this I don't like to engage in because it does have the potential to cross legal boundaries. But others do.

But hey ho, in the grand scheme of the world and all its ills, I can't muster it to care about the McCanns feelings about what people say on internet forums.

If you equate that with vitriol, hey ho.

Oh the not agreeing I can take. Shame people have to stoop, well, a bit low in their not agreeing mode. But I guess that's probably because their arguments aren't very well thought out.

It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day, rather than an argument (although, of course, it's an additional matter of subjectivity as to what constitutes opinion, debate or argument. some see the last of these in everything with which they disagree, others do not).

The facts are what they are, and everything else is opinion and speculation.

Now there I agree with you. Facts are facts that you cannot dispute. Unfortunately if you google McCanns you find a lot of conflicting reports from the UK media who have a tendency to report speculation as fact. And in the early days of the investigation there was a LOT of speculation.

But as it stands today, there is not a shred of evidence against the McCanns that would stand up in court. Not a shred.

Yes they made a mistake, they admit that. But I've seen parents much more neglectful than them - yet they don't deserve that to happen to them either. No-one does. I've made the same kind of mistakes and I can only say that, from my point of view, I would be devastated to read all of this speculation. In fact Kate McCann has spoken about this. What they are suffering is beyond my comprehension and I don't understand why people would want to make that worse.